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Offline z3ro

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87 Sammi No Start
« on: October 13, 2010, 11:26:23 PM »
I changed the distributor gear case o-ring and inadvertantly moved the rotor while the distributor was out.  So I go to the FSM and it essentially says:

1. Turn the crankshaft to 10 degrees BTDC (did it using the flywheel window)
2. Take the valve cover off to check that #1 rocker arms are not on the lobes (did it, gtg)
3. Point the rotor towards the clip to the right of the mounting flange (did it)
4. Push the distributor in (did it, and it aligned exactly like the picture in the FSM)
5. Put valve cover back on (did it, with a new gasket)
6. Start her up

Step six = fail

So I do this:

1. All the steps above, like 4 times to make sure.
2. Checked all fuses
3. Checked voltage at the coil when cranking
4. Checked voltage at the coil with ignition on
5. Checked spark plugs and re-gapped
6. Checked starter wires
7. Checked alternator wires
8. Checked spark plug wires
9. Kicked the tires
10. cursed

Still no start.  The cap and rotor have some burns on them so I may as well change them out, but I don't think that's it.  I read somewhere that the FSM was off in its instructions by 180 degrees, so I tried to put the rotor at cylinder 4 (as I read in another forum) and that didn't work either.  I'm not getting spark to the plug wires so I know the problem is in the distributor.

Someone help pls!! 

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Re: 87 Sammi No Start
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2010, 11:39:18 PM »
Did you hook up the wire to the distributor  ::)

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Offline z3ro

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Re: 87 Sammi No Start
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2010, 11:41:47 PM »
Are you talking about the coil wire or the wire plug?  If so, yes and yes. 

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Re: 87 Sammi No Start
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2010, 12:36:46 AM »
I think he is talking about the ground wire at the back of the rotor housing if you look at your other thread I posted about that and a few other things to look at.
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Offline z3ro

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Re: 87 Sammi No Start
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2010, 07:18:10 AM »
Yep hooked that up to.  I really think I am 180 degrees out, thats gotta be it. 

The only problem is, do I put the #4 at TDC and then point the rotor at #4?

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Offline Skyhiranger

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Re: 87 Sammi No Start
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2010, 07:34:33 AM »
Yep hooked that up to.  I really think I am 180 degrees out, thats gotta be it. 

The only problem is, do I put the #4 at TDC and then point the rotor at #4?

If #4 is at TDC (on the compression stroke...both rocker arms loose), then you point the rotor at cap tower #4.
If #1 is at TDC (on the compression stroke...both rocker arms loose), then you point the rotor at cap tower #1.
Simple as that. ;)
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Offline z3ro

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Re: 87 Sammi No Start
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2010, 12:24:15 PM »
I pointed the rotor at #1 when it was 10 BTDC.  No dice.

I'll try TDC.

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Offline z3ro

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Re: 87 Sammi No Start
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2010, 08:42:53 PM »
Well, she lives.

I put #1 at TDC and looked at the rotor.  It was 180 degrees off, so I pulled the distributor and moved it 180 degrees.  Tada, started right up.

The only problem now is that I moved the rotor either too much or too little because I don't have the range of motion I need to adjust the timing.  I'll just move the distributor to the left so I have more motion.

Thanks for all the help!

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Re: 87 Sammi No Start
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2010, 03:25:56 AM »
From what you are saying it sounds like you may have something funny going on with your timing belt. 
« Last Edit: October 15, 2010, 03:30:35 AM by c3006 »

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Offline Skyhiranger

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Re: 87 Sammi No Start
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2010, 07:41:36 AM »
Well, she lives.

I put #1 at TDC and looked at the rotor.  It was 180 degrees off, so I pulled the distributor and moved it 180 degrees.  Tada, started right up.

The only problem now is that I moved the rotor either too much or too little because I don't have the range of motion I need to adjust the timing.  I'll just move the distributor to the left so I have more motion.

Thanks for all the help!

Sounds like you are off a tooth on the distributor.  Pull it out, move it one tooth over and it should get it back to where it is supposed to be.  FYI, when it is set at 10*, it will be very close to the center of its adjustment range.....if you have the distributor in the correct place.
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