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Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2010, 12:49:37 AM »
Ok thanks for the info. I think I'm going to try and make another intake rather then raise the body or cut the hood. I don't want anyone to know what's in it until the light turns green. ;)

Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2010, 09:30:41 PM »
It's hard to find any info on these things. What differentials fit the x90? Sidekick? Vitara? Which years? I found out some things about the Vitara front diff fitting but they weren't clear as to what years fit what and which axles to use. Is there an interchange guide somewhere?

Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #32 on: December 16, 2010, 11:43:12 PM »
Today I added a black 2002 ZR2 Tracker to the collection. $1500 with 115k miles. Clean body but has a locked up v6 engine. I might throw a junkyard engine in that and use it's old 2.5L for my x90 build. That way I can bore it to whatever pistons I use and turn the crank to whatever rods I use. It's going to be handy to have in the driveway for taking measurements. fun fun.  ::)

I found one piston that might work in the H27A.
Ford Duratec 2.0L/2.3L
88mm bore (+.020 over) (H27A std. is 88mm)
21mm pin (not sure if it's a floater)
28.5mm compression height (0.9mm lower then H25A)

The H25A is supposed to have a 29.4mm compression height. I haven't verified this yet. It was info leached off a Mazda forum talking about piston swaps for the KL-DE/ZE. If the 2.7L (H27A) is the same crank/block/rod as a 2.7L, just larger bore, then I'll have all the rod/piston measurements soon.

I feel like I'm talking to myself on this forum. Isn't anyone interested on how to boost the H2xA on the cheap?  ???

EDIT - Looks like the Vitara 2.0L uses the same piston as the H25A and same rod as both the H25A and H27A. Still diggin'...
« Last Edit: December 17, 2010, 03:38:56 AM by lazzer408 »

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Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2010, 12:11:27 PM »
I'll buzz a friend of mine up in Canada that has done a lot of work on what can be done with the V6.  The 2.7 is a 100hp boost over the standard 8 valve, so most people call that pretty good and don't need to crank it up any further.  We do like to read about it though, at least I do.  :D

BRD HNTR has a 2.7 block, head and intake minus sensors sitting on the floor that supposedly has a lower end knock.  Might be a better target for the rebuild then an engine that has seized completely.
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Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2010, 12:20:00 PM »
I have a buddy running an engine shop in town so I can get things like crank work done pretty cheap. I would rather have the extra 200cc and get the 2.7L. Let me know what he'd want for it. I might have to hold out for a complete engine though. I'll get nickle and dimed to death having to find/buy everything for a shortblock.
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Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2010, 03:25:45 PM »
That is why he ended up buying it and why we recommend you get a donor vehicle.  :D
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Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2010, 09:06:06 PM »
Well the Tracker has good heads. It didn't jump time but the chain guides are toast. It must be something in the bottom end locking it up. Should have the block out soon. Can't wait to have some rods in my hand to take measurements.  :)

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Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2010, 06:16:22 PM »
I have a buddy running an engine shop in town so I can get things like crank work done pretty cheap. I would rather have the extra 200cc and get the 2.7L. Let me know what he'd want for it. I might have to hold out for a complete engine though. I'll get nickle and dimed to death having to find/buy everything for a shortblock.

I JUST got my Tracker running w/o any codes popping up.  It will be after the holidays before I know that I can part with motor.  As Kris said it has been reported to have a lower end knock.  It turns over fine.  2.7 Block and heads intact, coils on heads.  I used the front engine shield, harmonic balancer, valley cooling plumbing, and most emissions electronics.  I also have 2006 ECM, TCM, BCM without wiring for 5 speed auto (all from same vehicle).
To be honest, I would hold out for a complete vehicle, if you are building up a turbo motor you don't necessary need a running motor but nothing like everything at hand.
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Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #38 on: December 19, 2010, 07:51:45 PM »
I may be interested depending on the price. Where is the engine located? I won't be using a Suzuki ECU. Most likely a Honda, Mazda, or something distributerless, sequential injection, no canbus, no electronic cluster, and no TCU/BCU. It's going to be a fun splice. All I need from the x90's harness is constant power, ign power, and a few signals here and there from headlights and blower that just causes the engine to idle up and fuel pump signal.  It should be a fun splice.
Actually, didn't Honda boost a V6 is something? Acura MDX might be what I'm thinking of.

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Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2010, 12:40:58 PM »
NW Washington State.  I don't think Honda produces a boosted V6, unless you mean for Indy Car.
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Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #40 on: December 21, 2010, 11:14:28 PM »
So I've been digging for specs awhile now and from what I found the H27A has the following...

Bore - 88mm
Comp Height - 29.4132mm
Rod Lenght - 143.2mm
Pin - 21mm
Big End - 53mm

The Ford Duratec .020 over piston is 88mm with a CH of 28.5mm. To maintain the same distance from the center of the big end to the top of the piston, I'll need 144.1132mm rods. Renault has a 144mm/21mm/51.6mm rod. I'd have to open up the big end or cut the H27A crank.

The Dodge Neon .020" over piston is 88mm with a CH of 31.4. I'd need a 141.2132mm rod. I'm not sure that I want to shorten it that much.

Renault rods are 144/21/51.6
Nissan VQ35 rods are 144/22/55
Mitsu Evo 10 rods are 143.75/23/55
VW 1.8/2.0 rods are 144/20/50.6
Vauxhall(gm) rods are 143.1/21/52

Looks like Renault or VW would be the best bet so far. I'm still looking into other piston options to open up my rod choices. I still haven't found the H27A rod widths.

Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2010, 01:33:50 AM »
Here's some pics of the sub. Work-in-progress.  ;)

Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2010, 01:34:37 AM »
More pics of sub.

Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2010, 01:35:13 AM »
And one more pic. I'll get more when it's carpeted/painted and in the car. I need to do some testing first. I didn't have the exact specs on these subs so calculating the bandpass without it is shooting in the dark. I found another model that's similar so I used those specs. I think it might be tuned too low.
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Re: x90 H27A engine swap and other mods.
« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2010, 03:13:43 PM »
It's hard to find any info on these things. What differentials fit the x90? Sidekick? Vitara? Which years? I found out some things about the Vitara front diff fitting but they weren't clear as to what years fit what and which axles to use. Is there an interchange guide somewhere?

X90 has 4:68 or thereabouts. The Vitara/Track/Kick differentials interchange but the X should have the 26-spline shafts.
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