thanks ill consider that, i took it out to the local bog today pics should be up soon it made it through just about everything the mod bog had to offer was going up to the windshield and still plowing through it all in 4 low and 2nd gear like it wasnt a problem, very impressed with the cooper cheep O tires so far, did get hung up on the frame on a wooded trail though, usually only sees large trucks with 36 and bigger tires and mine fit right in the ruts of there old tracks laying it flat on the frame, thought i broke the exhuast but the collector are the spring style and was just pushed up... all in all im pretty impressed i think a couple more inches of suspension is all i need for this area, no real rocks to climb