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Offline ngrover

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2006, 07:23:31 PM »
So how much for those custom spacers and where are you getting them?

the guy is on ebay and i posted a link a few posts up to one of his listings. he has been making custom machined wheel spacers for over 20 years and said it would be no problem to make them so long as there is no more than an inch from the wheel mounting surface to the outer edge of the hub... that is what i'm waiting to measure on the weekend (it's dark when i get home). like i said in previous post he wants $240 US for four 1.25 inch spacers.
2000 Suzuki Grand Vitara, 5spd. 2.5 inch lift, 225/75R16 AT's

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2006, 09:24:25 PM »
Drive your trucklet around for a while w/ the new tires and then decide...
I doubt you'd need them and it just "might" be pulling the tires and increasing the turning arc jus a bit too much w/ 1.25" spacers
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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2006, 06:09:33 AM »
Studs will break off the vehicle if the wrong spacers are used for the vehicles hub/wheel design. Hub-centric vs. lug centric.

I can't say specifically about Gen. 2 GVs, but for instance, my sami is Lug-Centric, but my Rubicon Heep is Hub-centric. The sami has a flush face on the drum, so the wheel studs are designed to carry the vehicle weight.  The Jeep on the other hand has a machined lip on the hub that fits into the wheel, this interface carries the load and NOT the lugs.

I've seen the aftermath pics of the lug-centric spacers used incorrectly on a hub-centric jeep, NOT pretty after the Jeep's wheel studs (not the spacer's studs) broke off w/o warning doing only 45mph down the road (good thing the guy had a full cage).  And no, they were not Spidertrax, and yes, everything was properly torqued.
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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2006, 11:57:18 AM »
99-05 GV's are hub-centric. They have the machined lip on the hub and the center bore on the wheels fits it exactly.
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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2006, 08:04:25 PM »
So is everyone that runs the spidertrax satified. How is your Jeep Rubicon a heep?

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2006, 01:15:02 PM »
Hey ngrover did you ever measure your hubs? Just curious because I am probably going to get some from the same guy.

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2006, 06:17:59 PM »
So....are my Spidertrax spacers hub-centric to match the GV?  I know the guys at Spidertrax said that they are a new design, compared to the original Samurai design.  I remember them saying something about a lip when I ordered them...that's part of the reason it took a while to get them.  They're supposed to work on both the Samurai and GV.  Can someone shed some light on this?  I don't really want to be driving around on unsafe spacers.  I would think these things would be bombproof, but I don't really want to test the theory and crash my Zuk!!  :-\

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2006, 06:27:31 PM »
Hey ngrover did you ever measure your hubs? Just curious because I am probably going to get some from the same guy.

not yet... man i'm procrastinating like there is no tomorrow. I'm still wanting to do so but i need to take the time and measure everything out properly... i don't want to be on the loosing end of the guinea pig stick. I also just got my lift and new tires on the other day so now I can more accurately determine what width of spacer I can run...which is important because there will be a minimum width needed to have a hub-centric spacer on the wheel side. I have Friday off work so I'll do it then. One thing I did look into was locking hubs. If I go ahead and order them I won't be able to run the Warn locking hubs up front due to their shape. But I probably would be able to run the Asin (spelling?) locking hubs as they maintain stock dimensions as far as these spacers would be concerned. I'll keep you all posted. The guys has been pretty cool to talk to and he's given me some guidance.

So....are my Spidertrax spacers hub-centric to match the GV?  I know the guys at Spidertrax said that they are a new design, compared to the original Samurai design.  I remember them saying something about a lip when I ordered them...that's part of the reason it took a while to get them.  They're supposed to work on both the Samurai and GV.  Can someone shed some light on this?  I don't really want to be driving around on unsafe spacers.  I would think these things would be bombproof, but I don't really want to test the theory and crash my Zuk!!  :-\

they might be hub centric on the hub side but they definitely are not on the wheel side. I'm not sure which is more important... but of all the wheel spacers available for the GV to date i would say you're running as safe a spacer as any. They use OEM suzuki lugs and machine them from 6061T6 etc. Just make sure you use the locktite and torque them properly etc. In my case I"m not in a huge rush and I'd like to see if I can get completely hub-centric spacers made (for added peace of mind).
« Last Edit: November 07, 2006, 06:50:43 PM by ngrover »
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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2006, 01:44:34 PM »
i finally had time to look over my hub dimensions before ordering my custom made hub-centric (in terms of hub and wheel) spacers. I figured out that the minimum width the spacer can be is 1.25 inches so that the spacer clears the hub (and the tiny bolts sticking out of the hub). I could probably get them made thinner if I shaved the heads down on the hub bolts (by hub bolts I do NOT mean the studs that the wheel mounts to). The distance between the wheel mounting surface and the end of the hub (including the bolts) is a hair under 1.00 inch... meaning the wheel centric lip will have 1/4 inch to work with before protruding out from the spacer. According to the the ebay dude (who will be making the spacers) that is perfectly acceptable. So far I've concluded I need spacers made to the following specs:

- 1.25 inches thick
- must fit a 5x5.5 stud pattern
- must be hub centric and wheel centic
- must accomodate a center bore of 108mm (4.25 inches)
- must accomodate a hub that protrudes no more than 1.00" inch

The last thing I'm wondering is: what did spidertrax do to make their spacers compatible with the Grand Vitara? I noticed a very small lip (about < 1mm) on the wheels mounting surface and I'm wondering if the spacer needs a machined bevel to clear that, perhaps that is what spidertrax did?
« Last Edit: November 15, 2006, 01:48:50 PM by ngrover »
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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2006, 01:35:34 PM »
I run Spidertrax spacers on my 2000 GV and have had no issues whatsoever.

The spacers are hubcentric and I use locktite on the studs. I also check the spacer to rotor studs averytime I rotate the tires.

As a side note I've had wheel spacers on my Toyota trail rig for over three years now and have not had one issue either. It's been through the Rubicon a hundred times or so as well as other nasty spots.
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