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TRANNY GURUS NEEDED!  BIG PROBLEM!
« on: January 18, 2005, 12:45:07 PM »
Here's the deal...   **Warning: Really Long**

I have a 93 2 dr Tracker 4x4 with a 3" Bodylift.  I have been driving it for about 2-2.5 weeks now.  We have had very nice weather here for January (unseasonably warm).  It went from a high in the mid 60's to the low 20's.  Down to like 7 degrees at night.  The day before yesterday, I got up went outside to go to work.  Got in the trucklet, pushed in the clutch, started it, and it wouldn't come out of first gear.  I mean I pulled with both hands and it wouldn't budge.  This was the day after our first really cold night.  So I let it warm up for about 5-6 minutes.  Drive it around the block in first gear.  Get back and it still won't come out of first.  I let it warm up a bit longer.  I shifted the transfer case into Neutral, still won't come out.  Rocked the truck back and forth, back into 2wd, back to Neutral, still won't budge.  Finally comes out and with a decent amount of force, goes into 2nd.  Then it's fine.  I wondered if maybe it had water in it and had frozen or something.  So last night,  I drained the tranny and put in new 75W 90 Synthetic Gear Oil.(my Dad works at Advance Auto Parts, that's what their computer said it called for.  Called local Chevy dealer, they said the same thing 75W 90 Synthetic.)  Drove it home, drove fine.  Woke up this morning, went out, had left it in 2nd instead of first.  It did the same thing.  WOULDN'T BUDGE! >:(  So I let it warm up to normal temp.  then left in 2nd gear.  Still wouldn't come out of 2nd.  About halfway to work, it finally came out of 2nd, but would go over to 3rd or 4th.  After another 30-60 seconds, it went into 3rd/4th.  Then after another 30-60 seconds it went into 5th.  It really seems like it's freezing, but that doesn't make any sense.  It absolutely won't come out of gear until it warms up.  Then it's fine.  Even with brand new 75W 90 Synthetic.  Did the same thing tonite when I left work (Been sitting outside from 9am-6pm.  But after it had warmed up (again about halfway home) it came out and got progressivly smoother for the next few minutes.  I have asked 3 local tranny guys and no one has ever seen a tranny do this, and I haven't either.  I've seen them stiff to shift when cold, but never not want to come out of gear at all.  Has anyone EVER experienced anything like this before.  I'm baffled.... ??? ??? ???

Any help is greatly appreciated guys, sorry this was so long...

Bryan
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Re: TRANNY GURUS NEEDED!  BIG PROBLEM!
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2005, 01:11:12 PM »
 It's probably the seal on top of the shifter housing on the trans not sealing well and you got a little water in it. If you had to weld on your shifter to get it to fit with the body lift, you probably melted the boot a little.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2005, 01:24:23 PM »
The shifter is a remote shifter.  That is, the shifter handle doesn't go directly into the transmission.

When you pull on the shifter you are moving one of three shafts that go twords the front and then into the transmission.  Some people have made the mastake of trying to fill the transmission through the shifter hold when they can't get the fill plug out.

You can remove the shifter by pulling up the boot (the one on the trans.  You have to take apart the center consol and there will be a plate you can remove to get to the trans shifter.)  You will see a ring a types, when you push down on it it moves.  Well push down and turn it counter clockwise and it will pop out and you can remove the shifter.

Clean out and remove any water, grease it back up and put it together.

Hopes this helps.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2005, 01:57:02 PM »
When mine are left out in the cold it becomes a bit difficult to shift. But mine feels like a clutch thing not a tranny thing. If I pull out and shift clutchless it does fine. Or if I let it sit there and warm up a bit.

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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2005, 03:39:22 PM »
Definitely not a clutch thing, I know what you mean.  My 240sx is like that.  The clutch pedal is stiff in the mornings, but it always shifts fine.  The tracker will not come out of whatever gear it was left in the night before.  Not at all...but I can take off in that gear (1st or 2nd) and go down the road fine.  So the clutch is OK.  And I didn't install the body lift, so I don't know anything about how that went on.  I just know it's the 3" Calmini.  I talked to a Mustang guru tonight that said mustangs have this problem sometimes...something about the oil gets so cold/thick that it won't come out from around the syncros until it warms up.  I'm going to change the oil again with some thinner Redline MTL (according to his recomendation).   It has a lower pour point and lower viscosity at low temperatures.  So we'll see what happens.  I may try to take a look at what lil_truck said also...

Thanks guys,  any other helpful suggestions or experiences...please post 'em.

Bryan
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Re: TRANNY GURUS NEEDED!  BIG PROBLEM!
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2005, 04:18:29 PM »
Water in the tranny! I went through this years ago when I got water contamination and didn't realize after a DEEP water crossing. I coudn't get it out of gear until it warmed up and disolved/broke up/melted the water.
Easy way to check is drive or idles it till it is loose and warmed up.....then remove the tranny fill plug and see if it's milky in color. May have to stick a pinky finger or screw driver in the hole to check.
Let me know the results.........I bet it's water though!
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« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2005, 08:56:06 PM »
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 Ã‚ Some people have made the mastake of trying to fill the transmission through the shifter hold when they can't get the fill plug out.


So, uh, what happens when someone does this? Not saying I did, but what if??  :-X
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2005, 11:32:10 PM »
I oddly had that problem when I left my Tracker out in the winter for a few weeks, then started it up to put it in the garage... shifter wouldn't budge. So I said fuck it, and waited until the next day, which was warm, and it went in and out of gear fine. I second the cleaning the linkage out/greasing it up.... it's actually on my looooong list of things to do this winter.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2005, 12:13:35 AM »
Mine, on occasion, and for no apparent reason, doesn't want to go into 1st, 3rd, and 5th (the "forward" positions of the stick).  It'll pop out, when it DOES go in.  Then the problem will just go away for a few months..
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2005, 12:48:38 AM »
Yeah, it's water. Mine froze up camping a couple of times. This was a bit earlier in the build up process so I didn't know about taking the shifter out and trying to grease everything up... instead I took it to a tranny shop, where they tore it apart, called me, and said, there's WATER in here!!

But don't be surprised if you take the shifter out and see this either:





Ah... MUD..

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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2005, 01:14:42 AM »
But if there was water in the tranny wouldn't it have come out when we drained it the night before last?  It was warm since I had driven it from my house to dad's house, so everything had been up to temperature, and it was shifting like normal.  I figured it would have drained out then.  If not, then what do I need to do to check?  I'm assuming something like what was mentioned earlier, take the console out?  Anyone got a little more detailed explanation for getting that top part of the shifter off and everything?

Thanks again guys, this is a big help!

Bryan
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2005, 01:37:35 AM »
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But if there was water in the tranny wouldn't it have come out when we drained it the night before last?  It was warm since I had driven it from my house to dad's house, so everything had been up to temperature, and it was shifting like normal.  I figured it would have drained out then.  If not, then what do I need to do to check?  I'm assuming something like what was mentioned earlier, take the console out?  Anyone got a little more detailed explanation for getting that top part of the shifter off and everything?

Thanks again guys, this is a big help!

Bryan


No, not all of the water would have come out. Part of the reason is because of the difference between water and oil viscosity. Plus, if it's anything like mud or water in the top section, then definately no, it wouldn't have drained.

So, just take the center console out, it's easy, two screws up under where it comes in contact with the dash center, some stupid plastic clips between the seats, and two more screws in the back on either side by the ashtray (if you have one).  Just then navigate it out between the seatbelts and the shifter boots.

Then, lift up the shifter boots so you can get at the ball where it connects to the top of the tranny, push down and turn. A flathead screwdriver might help. It's easier to see how it's done when you are looking right at it.

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2005, 03:52:18 AM »
OK sweet...

I'll try to take a look at that ASAP.  Hopefully tonite when I get off work...

So when I get that piece off, I'm looking for what?  Mud, water, anything like that...  If I find it, how would I go about removing it?  Shop Vac?  Sorry for the dumb questions, but I've never seen a tranny do this before...

By the way, dad has been talking to a lot of people in teh last couple of days and everyone seems to think 75W 90 is too thick.  Some are saying to run Dexron in it.  What do you guys think about this?  Anyone else running 75W 90 in a manual tranny at temperatures aroun 0 deg. F ??

Thanks Again!

Bryan
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« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2005, 05:27:53 AM »
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everyone seems to think 75W 90 is too thick.  Some are saying to run Dexron in it.  What do you guys think about this?


No, No, No, NO, NO, No, NO!

NO!


No Dexron!

75W90.

Really!

Well, you can run 75W85 too, I think.

No problems at 20 below, even.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2005, 06:41:13 AM »
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No, No, No, NO, NO, No, NO!

NO!


No Dexron!


That's what I thought...  So you've had temps of -20 where you are and it has never done this?  

Only other thing I'm considering putting in it is Redline MTL (Manual Transmission Lubricant) which is 70W 80 GL4 Gear Oil.  It has a much lower viscosity than regular 75W 90 at low temperatures but only a little less at normal temps...

Thanks again everyone!
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