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Offline elotsip

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SFA conversions for Sidekick
« on: April 27, 2005, 05:16:49 AM »
Has anyone done a SFA conversion on a sidekick? I emailed calmini and they said they developed a kit a couple of years ago but there wasn't much interest. Just curious what others think about this.

Bill

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2005, 05:30:30 AM »
*snicker*
There are several of us who've done it.

I can't imagine that "they said they developed a kit a couple of years ago but there wasn't much interest." is accurate.

~Nate

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Offline elotsip

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2005, 05:34:58 AM »
This was the response I got from Calmini:

Sir-

       We designed and built a full SAS over two years ago for the Sidekick/Tracker however due to little customer interest in the kit it was never put into production.  You can see pictures and reviews of the kit online at www.zukiworld.com .  Please call the sales office if you have any other questions. Thank you for your interest in the CALMINI Suzuki line. Awaiting your call.

Best Regards
Sales Department
CALMINI Products Mfg.
www.CALMINI.com
Sales: 800-345-3305

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Offline hcgalvin

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2005, 05:37:57 AM »
See my signature line ;)

I'd say look around the board and use search for SAS and Solid Axle.

Can I answer any questions for you?
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Sidekick's gone... Still have Bob's Knob.

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2005, 05:46:33 AM »
I just sent you an email. I saw your kick on car domain too. Nice rig by the way.

I guess for starters I'm just curious what all is involved in converting a kick to a solid front axle. I don't have a kick at this point but I do have a strong interest in them. What axle do you use for the front? Anything else you can think of that would get me looking in the right direction. I don't have any fab skills so I was really hoping to find a full kit but oh well.

Bill

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Offline Natebert

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2005, 07:24:12 AM »
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... however due to little customer interest ...


I guess 'little customer interest' can be interpreted in many ways.  Sure they weren't going to sell a million units, but those that were interested were VERY interested.

~Nate


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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2005, 08:18:17 AM »
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I just sent you an email. I saw your kick on car domain too. Nice rig by the way.

I guess for starters I'm just curious what all is involved in converting a kick to a solid front axle. I don't have a kick at this point but I do have a strong interest in them. What axle do you use for the front? Anything else you can think of that would get me looking in the right direction. I don't have any fab skills so I was really hoping to find a full kit but oh well.

Bill



Emailed you back. Wrote a book.

:)
Heather Galvin
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Sidekick's gone... Still have Bob's Knob.

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2005, 12:24:35 PM »
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Emailed you back. Wrote a book.

:)

you wana send that book this way too ;)  :D

stu
   

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2005, 12:43:43 PM »
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you wana send that book this way too ;)  :D

stu

Yeah, I'd also be interested in that book. :)

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2005, 01:32:14 PM »
well Heather, while your publishing......

;D ;D me three!! please!! ;D ;D
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says 'Chevy' on the outside,
but its covered with lots of big 'S's on the inside ;)

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2005, 02:26:25 PM »
All book orders need to be placed thru me.
$10.95 plus shipping and handleing

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2005, 02:28:53 PM »
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All book orders need to be placed thru me.
$10.95 plus shipping and handleing

;D


You take PayPal? :P... ;D

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2005, 03:00:32 PM »
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Emailed you back. Wrote a book.

:)

Dang, That's a nice SAS, You ever take it off any sweet jumps?  ;)

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2005, 03:15:31 PM »
Fine.

It's not *quite* a book. But here, free for all.

Thanks for the comments! It's been a cool project and a learning experience.

How far you want to take an SAS conversion really depends on how much $$$
you are willing to spend on it. It also depends on your fabrication
skills, or, the availability of someone WITH fabrication skills or at
least the tools to LEARN the fabrication skills.

We went through two phases of our SAS. We first started out with a Samurai
front axle, which we widened ourselves, and got custom axles as well as
double tough birfields for. The front axle in the end proved to be almost
bulletproof (we trussed it as well) but the rear axle did not. Sidekick
axle shafts are not known for their strength on anything above 31-33"
tires. Especially with a locker.  Others might tell you different, if they
haven't broken anything "yet".

We then decided we wanted a stronger rear axle. Well, when you do the
research, you also want something that has the correct offset, and that is
strong. We then learned that a Toyota Landcruiser FJ80 contains the
correct offset axles, and, as a bonus, come with 30 splined shafts, full
floating, electric lockers, and 4 wheel disc brakes. They can be
expensive, however. Mine were. But, they are worth it.

We decided on a leaf spring setup, because like old technology is, it's
simpler, and easier to create. You could go with Coil, though. A lot of
people on the board have. We just didn't have the time, or the skill to
work on creating the links and control arms needed with coils, and then
decide on what kind of coils we wanted.

One of the biggest issues with SAS on a Track/Kick is the transfer case.
You will need to do something about slipyoke elimination. The slips in a
Track Kick transfercase are in the case itself, not in the driveshafts. So
this means your shaft could pull out or push in too far to the
transfercase when you flex.

There are ways to modify your own case for an SYE. It's been discussed on
the forum.

We went to OTT industries and got their Kicker 3 mod. They take your
transfercase, chop off the output shaft, and make an adapter to allow you
to bolt on a samurai transfercase to the back of your sidekick one. Since
a samurai case already IS SYE, then that's taken care of, plus, now, you
have two transfercases.

Other than OTT's mod, (they also created a high steer arm for us because
FJ80 axles are .. different) we did all of the work ourselves in our
garage. We had friends with welders and torches who would work together
with us for work on their rigs, or beer and pizza.

A suggestion to you to keep the SAS cheaper, would be to find a set of
Toyota minitruck axles (79-85), they can be had for about 200-300 bucks,
bolt them on with some Jeep wrangler leaf springs, some shocks, and then
purchase an OTT Kicker 3, or Kicker 2 (that mates a sidekick case to a
toyota case) get some drivelines, put some gears in the toy cases, get a
toyota high steer arm (can be bought at numerous online places) modify the
toyota truck drang link so it's toyota on one side and sidekick on the
other, and away you go.

Sounds simple. There is a lot of fabrication involved, particularly
welding. You'll need to weld on spring perches for the leaf springs,
create new crossmembers, as well as various other things.

I think this is why a lot of people just buy Samurais. Since they are
already SAS. But I like my amenities (I am a girl, anyways) I like A/C,
comfortable seats, and the more modern look.

If you plan on doing the SAS, you can always ask me questions, I'll be
glad to help.

You can also find me on IM during the day using GalvinLuv for AIM, and
hcgalvin on YIM.

Heather

;D

I'll take those PayPal payments now. I'm trying to save up for a polka dot bikini that I can give to Bob next EJS.

EDIT: I SHOULD write a book about my experience with my sidekick. I wonder if it would sell...  ???
« Last Edit: April 27, 2005, 03:17:30 PM by hcgalvin »
Heather Galvin
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Sidekick's gone... Still have Bob's Knob.

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Re: SFA conversions for Sidekick
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2005, 03:31:55 PM »
Thanks for the info Heather. :) A book would be great but pictures say a 1000 words. I wish someone with a SAS would post some close-up pics (that can be seen) of all their hard work.

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