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Re: BDS suspension
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2004, 06:08:10 AM »
so basically i coul;d put about 2 inches of lift in my kick for about $100? has anybody else done this?

my lug nuts require more torque then my engine makes ;)

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Re: BDS suspension
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2004, 09:49:50 AM »
has anyone just baught bigger rear shocks and just put bigger coils in your truck with out getting a lift kit? if so how much lift did you get?

my lug nuts require more torque then my engine makes ;)

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Re: BDS suspension
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2004, 10:38:09 AM »
If you look, that's all the BDS kit is.  

I know that Heather put TJ front coils in the rear of her 4 door and Mike has Ford truck shocks in the rear.

As for the front, all the struts are the same length but with the Calimini you get an extention for the top.

The big problem comes with the lower control arms.  If you put too much of a lift (springs).  The arm will sping down and pull the lower balljoint in.  That will cause you tires to tip out at the top (mess up the camber of the truck) and mess up the drivability.  Also would make the truck narrower.

You could I suppose slot out the strut and have it realigned.  Maby if you looked into the article archives and check on Mike Hages widening the front end, it might even out.

Good luck.

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Re: BDS suspension
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2004, 03:49:58 PM »
Looks like its Calmini for me now! Now that everyone has beaten the crap out of the BDS!
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Re: BDS suspension
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2004, 03:51:34 PM »
CALMINI'S SET UP IS SWEET STRAIGHT FORWARD AND EASY TO INSTALL.......GOOD LUCK  ;D

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Re: BDS suspension
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2004, 04:00:00 PM »
Thanks I can't wait till i get the cash saved up! Almost half way there.
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Re: BDS suspension
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2004, 05:40:45 PM »
BDS lift very easy to install no extra parts just springs and struts and shocks it took two hours to install from start to finish and clean up.    you get a 2 in lift with the calmini but they have bump stop extnsion  :(

this  is the BDS sping the  in the rear of my kick  ;D
and this is the other side  ;D

so on the calmini lift you lose most of the up travel in the rear   >:(


The struts are slightly longer (less than an inch) and the mounting holes are rotated to correct camber  ;D

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Re: BDS suspension
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2004, 02:23:33 AM »
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Looks like its Calmini for me now! Now that everyone has beaten the crap out of the BDS!


It's not that it's a bad lift, it's just it's components (springs and shocks) are just the basic components of a slight lift. For comparison, take a look at a late model full size gm lift of under 3". Straight axles both front and rear, with shocks. You basic lift consists of new lift springs for the front (basically springs which have an arc to them). For the rear, simple blocks/spacers to fit under the stock springs. Then the shocks. There really isn't real design work involved in this type of lift for this vehicle. The components don't exceed the restrictions of the suspension.
Having an IFS up front and an straight rear axle using links, it requires more design work. With a slight lift, the operation of geometry (is this such a thing, but hopefully you get the idea), hasn't really changed, just like the GM lift. Think of it like loading and unloading the vehicle. It has a compression and extension range. The lift doesn't really fall out of this range, but reaches to the limits of it.

I'm not stating for a fact that BDS, or any other lift producing company, provides a lift in such capacity, but design of a lift has several functions in mind (both manufacturer and user may want the same thing, but may not have the same results). 1 - lift of course, to provide lift of the vehicle (springs), 1a - to be able to control the added unsprung weight of larger tire/wheels (shocks/struts), 1b - capability of carrying higher weight capacities (most lift springs have a higher capacity), 2 - provide better handling in off/on-road driving situation, 2a - longer travel of the suspension components, 2b - restrict the sway during highway driving. The biggest limitation of a lift system, is the basic design of the suspension for the vehicle.

Personally, in Calmini's case, it's clear that they have done more research, design, and development in their lift 'system', thus the cost variance. Their lift does provide much of the functions of a lift system as stated above, and it's all based on the design limitations of the suspension of the vehicle. They certainly pushed the limits on certain design aspects of the suspension.

Personally, in BDS's case, their system adds lift per say (don't know as I don't have it nor have specs to compare). In comparison, they played it safe and stuck with the stock limitations of the suspension of the vehicle.

To compare to BDS, look at OME (for other types of vehicles). Their lift systems don't provide significant lift, but slight lift and better shocks. Yet, cost wise, their in comparison to Calmini's.

Do note, that suspension lift only separates the distance of the vehicle in relation to the axles. Lift wrt the ground comes from the tires. Larger diameter tires give you the necessary ground clearance under the axles.

In comparison to a slight lift in coils, adding spacers produces the same results for the coils, adding longer chosen shocks and adding a spacer to the strut, provides the same results. Only thing to consider, is that do you want to do the research for a lift and know what you want and live with the results, or purchase a lift and live with that result. Hopefully, your research will encompass all aspects you are looking for in a lift.
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Re: BDS suspension
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2004, 02:30:36 AM »
Wow, thanks for the explanation, that really clarifys all of the questions I had running through the back of my head. Its nice to know what im' definitly doing now. thank god.
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