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Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???

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Hey guys just kick'n this toyota front cv /trackkick swap idea around.. From what i know about it (which isnt much) looks like a stronger setup .So what would be needed as far which years toy parts etc. are needed for this swap on a 1998 tracker...? 

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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2017, 09:54:49 PM »
The easiest way to do it is this way; you need 3 things:

1) do the Hagen widening mod (search it)
2) make up a stub shaft that inserts into the passenger side of your diff that has the same 3 bolt flange as the driver's side
3) buy this kit and it should all just bolt on if you've done steps 1 and 2 correctly: http://www.zukparts.com/Suzuki-Vitara-to-Toyota-Hilux-CV-Conversion-Kit

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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2017, 08:09:00 AM »
Hey thanks for your response. I've seen this conversion on one of the zuki sites afew years ago. My rig is a 1998 2dr. soft top 1.6L 16v 5spd. which I've done a far amount of work too,lol.I'm running the Alter Ego 4.5" suspension kit,Calmini 3" body lift, 5:85 R&P sets,lockrights front & rear, 150 amp GM alternator swap, 32" 11:50 BFG-KM2, 55amp H.I.D. light conversion,Calmini winch bumper with matching rear spare tire carrier bumper out back,XRC PRO 9500 winch,power streering cooler,rebuilt front & rear diffs ,steel front diff housing, rolled the rear spring cups mod.S.S.header,gauges in pods(oil-temp-volts),43"Curved highout put LED off road light,and much more been done as well as more mods to come.And one up coming mod will be this toy cv conversion.Tho first I need to rebuild my 5 spd trans and transfer-case.And like always its not just the rebuilding or replacement of tho two items,I'd toss a new clutch ,pressure plate and throwout bearing(centerforce brand),solid trans mount as well as solid transfer-case mount.plus a set of 4.24:1 transfer-case gears.As I want to go up too 34" tire size and the little 1.6 L 16v motor has all it can take even with up gearing to 5:85's.I would love to rebuild it and port the head plus add a LARGER cam,10 to 1 pistons ,etc.. and maybe it will push 150 to 175 hp.lol more than enuff to spin 34" 13.00 boggers even in a hard spot.Anyway this is why I been looking at the toy cv axle swap.

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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2017, 08:05:18 AM »
SO,I wonder if the "Hagen widening mod" still needs to be done with my setup....? The Atler Ego kit replaces the stock lower control arms and moves the front wheel,etc. ahead 1.5 - 2 inchs or there abouts.Which is what he was trying to do on a smaller scale.. There is a Zuki member who did this type of mod. with a suspension lift kit like the setup I run,he is outside the U.S.A. and seems to be part of a 4x4  motor cross club as well as a member of the zuki ones.He took great photos of all the mods he did as well as explaining everything. I cant remember his name to save my ass.lol. Tho if I remember right  this site lost a bunch of older post memory,like a year ago(?) and his build record mite have been part of the lose,And thats why I cant find anything in the build diaries of this member and the awesum work he did.

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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2017, 01:04:15 PM »
As I understand it, the reason behind the Hagen widening mod was to get enough clearance to run a left side axle on the right side - does the Alter Ego kit allow this or does it use the normal right side axle?

If you can get Alter Ego to answer that you'll have the answer to your question.
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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2017, 03:47:05 AM »
Hello Fordem,thanks for your input as its greatly appreciated as always,as is everyones.You may be right about the widening mod. and the extra clearance gained was a plus. The Alter Ego setup runs regular axles tho it mite be easier to use one axle for both sides the way its setup,I've not looked into it as yet.But I will ask the company about it.

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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2017, 07:35:47 AM »
I've never really looked at the Alter Ego kit, but the Hagen mod requires a stock left axle for the right side, and a stock left axle plus a spacer, so, if the Alter Ego kit uses stock axles, I'm guessing you may have some challenges.

The reason why I term them challenges is the Hagen mod moves the wheels out and forward, based on what you say the Alter Ego arms also move the wheels forward, if you have both, you could potentially have the wheels too far forward - maybe Alter Ego can do custom arms that also space the wheels outwards.
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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2017, 08:37:08 AM »
Just a suggestion - if the Alter Ego arms won't allow for the use of two left axles, take a look at the Calmini Anvil - it's a steel axle housing that replaces the aluminum one and allows the use of two left axles - that might be a solution.
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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2017, 11:02:10 PM »
I searched for that Toyota CV kit for a year and finally gave up.... and then here out of no where someone posts a link where I can just buy it. apparently I suck at researching  ::) thank you olija!!

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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2019, 07:09:38 AM »
Did anyone ever find out if alter ego or calmini arms extend the arms far out enough to avoid doing the hagan widening mod?
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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2019, 02:19:40 AM »
Hiya,
I am looking at doing this in the next 6 months or so, with kit mentioned above.
If you follow the link it recommends Surf/4 runner Cv's  and locking hubs to suit.

I have just used Tims disc brake conversion kit for my 92 Vitara, highly recommended.
https://www.zukparts.com/Suzuki-Vitara/Suzuki-Vitara-rear-disc-brake-conversion-early-axle

Cheers.
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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2019, 10:33:08 PM »
Wouldn't it be more worth your while to swap a Toyota IFS axlehousing in with the Toyota CV's? Just thinking about putting big Toyota CV's in with a chintzy Suzuki front diff seems like you're moving from a relatively inexpensive, easy to replace weak link to an expensive, difficult part to replace. I guess the main issue is that you'd have to run a Toyota rear axle too probably because there are no matching ratios unfortunately.
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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2019, 09:24:42 AM »
Hmm will the calmini Lower control arms bolt on and allow the same side axle ? Or will I need to do the Hagen mod aswell?

Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2019, 03:05:20 PM »
I am currently doing the Toyota IFS swap with the kit as pictured 2 posts above.
Needed
1    Kit from Australia or is it New Zealand?  I have had it for years and just getting to installing since I went to 35" tires.
2....Hagen mod or in my case the lift kit I am using already has 2-1/2" wider and 1-1/2" moved forward A-arms.
3    2  Toyota IFS front axles from 1986-1095 pickup. these CV axles make the Tracker axles look tiny.
4    2 Warn manual locking hubs part number 28761 or equivalent.
5    Left side axle conversion to the right side so you can use same axle both sides

I also had Trail Tough assemble for  me an all steel front diff and housing.

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Re: Toyota front cv axle swap...... just what is needed.....???
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2019, 09:57:26 AM »
Sounds like fun.  You should post up some pictures, a buddy is looking to switch to Toyota CV's.
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