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Looking for a good parts source
« on: January 03, 2012, 04:43:46 PM »
Just finished tearing down my spare 1.6 16V and looks like I'm going to need a set of pistons and rings as well as all the gaskets and seals. Looking for a good source for quality parts. Not sure if I want to trust ebay brands, though some are reportedly Japenese made. Also looking for stainless steel exhaust valves for the 16V 1.6.  BTW, did look at Suzisport stuff, they have some nice forged pistons for around $400, but I'm gonna stick with stock for the next turbo build. They seem to hold up just fine to 7lbs.
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 06:04:17 PM »
I've had good luck with Parts Dinosaur

http://partsdinosaur.com/
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2012, 04:52:30 AM »
Thanks Don, looks good.
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 07:10:48 AM »
rockauto.com; dunno afa price compared to where you have been looking,
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 03:42:25 PM »
Thanks John, did look at Rock, prices are good but not everything available. I'd like to stick to one source for everything. Gonna do new oil pump, water pump and belt of course, main and rod bearings although both were in such nice shape they coulda been reused. Also going to overhaul the head. Cam and journals in great shape, Going to replace valve seals and give it a 3 angle valve job and mild port cleanup.
The only reason it needs pistons is because I have to bore it a bit oversize to clean up the cylinders after someone let water get in the block while it was sitting around (looks like outside uncovered) but it was cheap enough so so big deal. Turned the oil into slimy goo and surface rusted some spots on # 2 + 3 holes. Nothing .020 over won't cleanup.
I'm not in any rush, it's a winter project to keep me occupied. I did find a couple of incredible deals on eBay, one for a kit with  aftermarket pistons, rings, main and rod bearings, oil pump, water pump, ALL bottom end gaskets and seals, timing belt and tension-er bearing, ALL top end gaskets and valve guide seals, cam seal,  made in either Japan or right here in the good ol USA ( the bearings and gaskets anyway) regularly $262, sale 202 + free shipping. That's going to be hard to beat and the place has EX feedback and over 100 sets of this stuff apparently.
Just for hahas I looked up the prices of OEM replacements, even with Southwest  Suzuki's discount, 1 piston is $57 and the rings are about $60 for 1 set ! That's more expensive than FORGED pistons with rings, oversize, from Team Swift.
I've used aftermarket stuff before, but it's hard to beat OEM quality and fit. I just wonder how this aftermarket stuff compares.
I guess I should have began a thread on the tear down and rebuild but it's all been done before and nothing extraordinary going on here, mostly cleaning.
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 06:45:42 PM »
Trail Tough and Low Range both are pretty good parts sources.  Especially Trail Tough now that they have all of Hawk Suzuki's old inventory.
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2012, 07:27:42 AM »
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2012, 05:00:59 AM »
I went ahead and ordered the kit from Domestic Gaskets for $212 with free shipping. Comes with everything and I was able to choose an oversize piston that'll do the job. I can only assume that they can offer that price for the kit because of economy of scale, they have hundreds. Pistons, rings, main and rod bearings, oil and water pump, timing belt and bearing, ALL seals and gaskets. Pistons NPR made in Japan, bearings ACL made in America. I would suggest anyone wanting to do a rebuild take advantage of this price, today last day.
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 06:06:45 AM »
I know ACL bearings are used by many people, but I wouldnt go near them with a 10' pole!!!

I have never had a engine survive very long with the insufficiently sized ACL craptastic bearings and refuse to do rebuilds at the shop if the customer requests them. ACL does not offer their bearings in the same range as what the stock bearings offer, so you are left without any way to properly fit the bearings. They are fine for the prehistoric domestic v8 builds, but the Japenese designed their bearings differently with far closer tolerances achieved by offering a large selection of sizes to custom fit the clearances.

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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2012, 04:51:52 AM »
Interesting info. I'm not having to do any resizing on the crank, the bearings and surfaces were in very good condition. If the fit of the new bearings is not good, I suppose I could reuse the stock ones. So, just out of curiosity what bearings brands would you recommend?
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2012, 05:29:45 AM »
I would only opt for factory bearings, if additional protection is desired I would send the properly sized bearings to Swaintech for their ceramic bearing treatment.

I sent out a set of undersized pistons to Swaintech, they applied their piston skirt PC-9 ceramic to build the pistons so the bores could be freshly honed to match. http://www.swaintech.com/store.asp?pid=10971
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2012, 03:40:47 AM »
I've heard of that process before. If money were no object I'd do everything in the engine, but alas, I'm on a budget so a good stock rebuild will have to do. Besides, this isn't a race engine, just an everyday engine. Great info though, Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2012, 06:56:45 AM »
I've heard of that process before. If money were no object I'd do everything in the engine, but alas, I'm on a budget so a good stock rebuild will have to do. Besides, this isn't a race engine, just an everyday engine. Great info though, Thanks for sharing.

My main point was the use of OEM parts and specs for the bearings was the optimal route, and if you wanted better then use OEM again for a base item to upgrade with.

After years of working in a machine shop whenever a part is brought in and there is race in the companies name or product name, I am very skepticle of it's longeviety. Race parts are usually stronger, but with far shorter life spans because race engines are intended to be broken down, inspected and rebuiilt far sooner than a grocery getter DD weekend warrior engine.

I am NEVER surprised when someone returns a few months later after having a high performance engine build and they are not satisfied with the fickle running of that engine and want a build done with cast pistons and factory parts just to not have the headaches of dealing with a high strung engine.
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2012, 01:52:44 PM »
Also looking for stainless steel exhaust valves for the 16V 1.6. 

try Superf1y on teamswift.net, I think he was making stainless valves.
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Re: Looking for a good parts source
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2012, 04:28:16 AM »
"After years of working in a machine shop whenever a part is brought in and there is race in the companies name or product name, I am very skepticle of it's longeviety. Race parts are usually stronger, but with far shorter life spans because race engines are intended to be broken down, inspected and rebuiilt far sooner than a grocery getter DD weekend warrior engine."

Who said anything about " race " parts? this is a totally STOCK rebuild. I would love to use OEM parts for everything, but they cost nearly 10 times as much, no kidding. Another issue is availability of oversize stock parts. Besides, many OEMs do not actually make their own parts like these, they are outsourced to specialist manufacturers. I do understand what you mean about " race" parts though, I've built and raced a few vehicles in my time, namely motorcycles, but it is true the more radical they are, the more often they need to be torn down regularly , inspected and overhauled.  I've been doing some background research on some of the suppliers for aftermarket parts, and NPR the piston maker, supplies several Japanese OEM's. As far as the ACL or King main and rod bearings, their reputations seem just as good as anybody elses. True, they may not offer as many sizes, but if your crank is that bad then I guess you'd have to spend the $  for more availability of sizing.

Thanks Rhinoman, I'll give that a look.
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