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Offline RJkick

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Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« on: November 29, 2011, 05:12:23 PM »
Most likely a belt but everything is tight and the belts still have good groove and I see no smooth spots indicating slippage.

Any ideas?

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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2011, 06:29:37 PM »
I know they are going to bash me for saying this... BUT with the engine running rub a candle on the belt. It made my belt stop squealing. And for Gods sake, be careful.
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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2011, 07:10:18 PM »
I know they are going to bash me for saying this... BUT with the engine running rub a candle on the belt. It made my belt stop squealing. And for Gods sake, be careful.

Wouldn't putting wax on the belt make it prone to slipping?  Yeah, it probably won't squeak when it slips, but I would bet it would slip worse than with no wax on it.
Just put a new belt on.
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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 07:12:01 PM »
Most likely a belt but everything is tight and the belts still have good groove and I see no smooth spots indicating slippage.

Any ideas?

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Belts don't always "look" bad.  I would bet it is the belt slipping.  Either replace the belt, or try tightening it a little tighter.
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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 07:20:29 PM »
wax works.
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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 07:31:58 PM »
wax works.

I did a google search on wax and a squeaking belt.  Sounds like it works and doesn't make the belt more prone to slipping.  Interesting.
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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 07:39:30 PM »
You've been told twice already - I'm going to make it thrice - replace the belt.

The belt is squealing because it is slipping under the load of the alternator as it tries to restore the energy just taken from the battery to start the engine.
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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2011, 05:31:40 AM »
A belt can "feel" tight when it in fact isn't.  You can measure it by
deflection is best IMO. Google it. If it measures out in spec then
replace the belt for sure.
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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2011, 01:30:02 PM »
replacing belt

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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2012, 11:35:42 AM »
Any guesses would be appreciated

Replaced belts but the noise still remains.  Today I started the Zuk and it made the whistling\squeal for 4 minutes while warming up.  When I drove away it made the noise and then it stopped when I was at a light or stop sign but when I accelerated it would squeal and when I was at an idle it stopped.  After another 5 minutes it stopped all together.

A/C Compressor maybe?
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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 12:15:56 PM »
http://www.industrialrubbergoods.com/synthetic-rubber.html   With china and India sucking up all of our natural resources get used to it, look for a belt in the back with a lot of dust on it from yester year while at your local auto parts store, maybe a smaller one that does not have so many sales as the larger chains.
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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2012, 12:45:03 PM »
I'm not familiar with that motor but does it have an idler pulley for the a/c? Does the sound change or go away when you turn the a/c on?

Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 01:23:54 PM »
Make it tighter than you think it needs to be.  Suzukis are very finicky about belts.  They dont seem to like Gates and Dayco.  Import belts like Bando may be better.  Every time i replace a belt on a Suzuki I have the same problem and have to put it on really tight.

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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 02:49:54 PM »
The belt IS slipping - the reason why is in my previous post.

If you have replaced the belt and it still squeals directly after startup, tighten it.
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Re: Squealling for the first 2 to 4 minutes after starting
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2012, 03:00:30 PM »
Any guesses would be appreciated

Replaced belts but the noise still remains.  Today I started the Zuk and it made the whistling\squeal for 4 minutes while warming up.  When I drove away it made the noise and then it stopped when I was at a light or stop sign but when I accelerated it would squeal and when I was at an idle it stopped.  After another 5 minutes it stopped all together.

A/C Compressor maybe?

The only time the AC compressor has drag on it is when the AC is on.  So if it is squealing and the AC is off, then it isn't the AC compressor.
Did you replace both belts, or just the AC/PS one?  In my experience, the AC/PS belt will not squeal unless the AC is on, or the belt is obviously too loose.  The alternator/water pump belt is the one that will be the one that will squeal, if you have a sqealing belt.
Did you clean the pulleys before you put the new belt on?  If there was some oil or something on the pulleys, then that can cause a belt to slip and squeal.  If you didn't clean the pulleys (I use brake cleaner and compressed air), then the oil would have gotten onto the new belt.
But my guess is that you either replaced the wrong belt, or if you replaced both of them, you didn't get the belts tight enough.
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