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Offline Jonny Rash

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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2011, 12:23:35 PM »
The SJ410 is more or less a Samurai.  The SJ410/SJ413 is what most of the world got, the Samurai is what the US got in 86 and in Europe starting in the later 80's.  In the US Market, the Samurai has wider axles/stance, larger engine, roll bar, etc.

Judging from the photos, it appears that your front spring mounts are offset from the frame.  On a SJ410 they are directly under the frame.  However, the rear spring mount looks a little funny, like it is inset.  Hard to tell.  I also believe that the SJ410 came with drums all around, but again, somebody might have swapped those over from a Samurai.  The axles looks like a Samurai axle, but they could be the narrow SJ413.

Again, I am assuming that you are from the US or Canada.  No location info in your profile.  

In other certain European markets, the SJ410, SJ413, and Samurai were all sold with many interchangable parts from the factory.  I came across all kinds of "strange" powertrain combos when I lived in Germany from 99-2003.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2011, 01:34:53 PM by Jonny Rash »
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2011, 01:39:09 PM »
I've updated my profile to include my location. I'm in Tennessee.

I'm currently out of town for a few days but I will try to get some better pictures of it posted the first of the week so maybe we can determine exactly what I have lol.

The rebuild kit should be in at the first of the week and I will start putting things back together.

Thanks again for all the help!!
1984 SJ410 1.3L

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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2011, 02:40:36 PM »
Well the location helps to narrow it down.  I believe you have Samurai axles-you have a parking brake on the rear axle and discs up front-and the diffs look like Samurai diffs.  So you most likely have 3.73 ring and pinion unless those have been modified.
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2011, 11:57:36 PM »
Thanks for the reply. Are their any other pictures I could take to help identify for certain what I have? I'll be back to work on it mon and I can take any pictures then that would help identify. 
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2011, 07:17:51 AM »
Take some photos of the frame ends/spring hangers.
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2011, 08:47:12 AM »
Ok I'll try to get the pictures posted this evening.
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2011, 10:07:21 AM »
I've got the pictures taken but I haven't had the chance to get them onto my computer yet to upload them. The rebuild kit is on the ups truck for delivery today according to the tracking number. Maybe I can start reassembly of the motor tonight and get it on the road by the weekend.


On another note I wanted to see how my transfer case was geared. I marked both drive shafts from the motor and to the rear end. The rear end only turns one and a half times for each turn of the drive shaft. I thought that a standard sammy case was 2:1. Was the transfer case in a SJ geared 1.5:1? I'm sure I'm going to have to shell out some more cash for gears now. What's the possibility of finding a used case already geared for 31 tires?
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2011, 12:15:30 PM »
The stock Samurai high range is 1.41 and the SJ410 is 1.58.  They are pretty close in ratio.

Does your transfer case have a drum brake on the rear output? 
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2011, 01:05:51 PM »
I don't think it does but I'm not for certain what it would look like. Is it similar to regular drum brakes? If so then I'm 99% sure it doesn't. I'll be at the truck in just a few minutes and I'll look and check that out for sure.
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2011, 02:05:40 PM »
Yep, it looks like a drum brake.  The t-case pictured is the earlier SJ410 case, but the brake drum should look similar.
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2011, 03:26:52 PM »
There is nothing on it that looks anything like a drum brake. It looks just like the transfer case under my F350 but only a 1/4 of the size lol.

I really think someone set the 410 body on a samurai frame. Everything under it looks like it's been modified to fit. Brackets moved ect. Also the E Brake is not hooked up and no speedo cable.

UPS just arrived!!! Anyone in West Tn want to help put together a 1.3L this evening???
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2011, 10:21:00 PM »
I didn't get very far on putting the engine back together but I did get the pistons on the rods and the pin pressed in and everything cleaned really well. I'll be able to start putting it together tomorrow. I want to get it done but I also want to be sure that it's done right. Hopefully I'll have the rig on the road by Sat.
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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2011, 08:02:06 PM »
Finally got the engine running with the help of a friend. Also found out that I have a SJ410 setting on Samurai running gear. The axles, transmission, and transfer are all Samurai.

1984 SJ410 1.3L

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Re: 1984 SJ410 build
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2011, 01:05:30 PM »
That's good! :)  The Samurai drivetrain is a little more robust and most importantly, is supported by the aftermarket.
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