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GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« on: May 08, 2011, 07:59:06 PM »
I have seen video on youtube of Samurai"s with 4 carbs off a GSXR motorcycle I guess. Does anyone know anything about this mod? I was thinking about either getting my intake modified for a sidedraft (Harley or Mikuni 42mm both of which i have) or trying to do it myself. Then i saw the video on youtube.... Looks freakin awesome! I want info........? Also, may be a stupid question but, some of those Sammy's aren't running motorcycle engines in them are they? Or does the carbs make THAT much of a difference? I have 2 Sammy's ('86 & '87) so i can experiment a little.....

Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2011, 05:07:35 AM »
Ok guys.....Really? Nobody's got anything to say at all about putting 4 carbs on a Sammy? This is my 1st attempt at a forum type question. Do i have to be in some special club or something to get responses? Nobody even has a comment? C-mon guys........?

Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 10:53:49 PM »
Thankyou! thats what i was looking for.....

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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 07:14:55 AM »
Sorry, I left this to the EXPERTS,

I just dread the thought of tuning multiple carbs, even just two like on the old Corvairs/VW's

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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 07:36:07 AM »
Good point, but with a handle like chopper man, he might have the multi
gauge to tune multiple carbs.

I always wondered why a bike like the GSXR or a Hyabusa could produce
so much HP and the Samurai's and Sidekick's got a few ponies to work with

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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2011, 06:55:44 AM »
The power achieved by motors like the Hyabusa's has a lot to do with the maximum rpm they can turn. If you can fill, compress, ignite and expel the gasses more times in any given period ( the PM in RPM ) the more power you can produce in that given period.  Our engines redline at somewhere around 7 grand, the Hyabusa engine can spin comfortably to over 12 thousand, therefor making almost twice the power in the same amount of time. They also have considerably higher compression ratios, somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 to 1, as opposed to the 16v engines in the Trackicks which are at 9.5 to 1, or the 8 valve Sammy and earlier Trackick engines which are closer to 8 to 1. The more mixture you can put into the cylinder and the more you can compress that mixture, the greater the pressure created by the ignition of the mixture. This is a very simplified explanation and I'm sure there are others here who can do a better job of explaining the differences.
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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2011, 07:35:58 AM »
why not a complete busa motor in a sammy?  >:D I might have to try.....
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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2011, 08:17:11 AM »
Ever seen the Smart car with a GSXR engine in it?  >:D

Ya, Bentparts I get the RPM differences and the torque tradeoff, but you are looking at
3x the HP at 2x the RPM, some of those power secrets need to trickle down to the four
wheel brethren in the Suzuki family, that's what I'm talking about

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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2011, 03:55:07 AM »
Much of that power is in the head design. Imagine if you could bump your comprssion ratio up to 12 to 1, on regular.  What your doing with the turbo is essentially the same thing, raising the combustion pressure,  then spin it twice as fast.
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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2011, 07:21:32 AM »
I have E85 available here and it's a relatively cheep 3.69/gal and is
reported to be 105 octane, so a non boosted high compression or a
monster compressed 12 PSI boost might just have to happen  >:D

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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2011, 04:09:21 PM »
Will that much ethanol have any detrimental effects on fuel system parts? I know I've been able to up my boost a bit just by injecting denatured alcohol/distilled water in a 50/50 mix progressively as the boost rises from about 4lbs or so. Alcohol sure burns cooler.
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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2011, 09:28:42 PM »
No, I have run the E85 in my Chevy P/U straight and never had trouble
with the fuel parts, the problem is from water in the fuel rusting stuff

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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2011, 09:53:04 PM »
also E85 is a problem when it sits too long. it is not homogenised with the gasoline therefore it separates and will give (insert car/boat/weed whacker/etc) a straight shot of alcohol and or water. it the said item doesn't like the alcohol (seals, perishable fuel system parts...) all hell can break loose. the majority of people that I work with have fishing boats and many of them have had to dump serious money into E85 repairs.
I think its fine as long as its cycled through at a reasonable rate.
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Re: GSXR carburetors on Samurai
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2011, 01:49:53 PM »
I'm not actually " burning " my alcohol mix, it's being injected into the intake manifold to cool the compressed air charge coming from the turbo. Maybe it's burning too, not sure, but it makes a HUGE difference in driveability and knock resistence. I actually removed the big ass heat exchanger for my air to liquid aftercooler that was blocking my radiator and it still runs cooler ( egt's ) on the alchy mix.
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