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Offline zukcrewcab

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are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« on: February 24, 2011, 06:52:25 PM »
I've been out of the loop for a few years, after lifting my 95 4 door sidekick I found out the ring and pinions to match the 32 inch tires im running are not availalble, since has anyone started producing these 5:83 gears?

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 04:09:05 AM »
Only used sets are available that I know of and good luck finding a good set. Contact SkyhiRanger here on this forum, he has some good and RARE factory 5.63's I think.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2011, 08:04:57 AM »
thank you, will the 5 63's turn the 32's like with the power range of the stock set up?

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2011, 08:25:36 PM »
thank you, will the 5 63's turn the 32's like with the power range of the stock set up?

5.63s won't quite get you back to stock (but neither will 5.83s).  And I do have some 5.63s (5.62s) for sale in the for sale section, if you want to look them up.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 09:43:46 PM »
why not a undertaker instead? with gears in the 5's you have very little pinion strength.

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2011, 10:17:26 PM »
The problem with the undertaker is that is a non-selectable 1.5 reduction (so you would need to run 40" tires, to compensate for the gear reduction).  To figure how this will affect your current gearing/RPMs.....look at the RPMs the engine is running at 70MPH (or whatever the highest MPH is that you drive at constantly), then multiply the RPM by 1.5...that will be your "new" RPM at that MPH with the undertaker.  I don't think you will like the "new" RPMs, with 32s and the undertaker.
Also, you have to modify the driveshaft lengths, when you add the undertaker.  So take that cost into account, in addition to the $1300+ price tag, and I think you'll see that the undertaker isn't a real good option for most people.
You also need to cut a new hole in the tranny tunnel for the tcase shifter.  That is something that you should be able to do yourself...but it is more work that has to be done.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2011, 11:21:54 PM »
I agree with your RPM diagnosis, but what are you going to do?
There is no other option right now to get a tall tire geared down
on the road, and the 4.24s are too low for the sand.

The Undertaker will take the Stock T-case set to an effective 2.8:1
and in my opinion, that is a better range for all around driving, low enough
for rock crawling and high enough to run sand.

If you install 4.62s you will have an effective 6.93 and with  5.12s it will be
an effective 7.69, these #s assume a final drive of 1:1, with overdrive 5th
the effective reduction will be less, but I'm too tired tonight to look up
the 5th gears OD #

So in short, an undertaker will allow you to run a 35 or even a 37-40 inch tire
and still have reduction to pull them, now if we can just figure out how to keep
the axles from twisting off like tooth picks ..............

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2011, 05:11:35 AM »
Or you could just stick a 3 speed auto trans in it and keep your 5.125's and run 32's.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2011, 05:17:43 AM »
I am one of the lucky ones that have 5:83s.  Found someone that had bought a new set and never installed them.  I am running 31s and the gearing is very good but still not like a stock.  The heavier tires just take more to turn.  Don't get me wrong I love the gearing but just want to share it is not just like stock. 

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2011, 06:51:05 AM »
I agree with your RPM diagnosis, but what are you going to do?
There is no other option right now to get a tall tire geared down
on the road, and the 4.24s are too low for the sand.

The Undertaker will take the Stock T-case set to an effective 2.8:1
and in my opinion, that is a better range for all around driving, low enough
for rock crawling and high enough to run sand.

If you install 4.62s you will have an effective 6.93 and with  5.12s it will be
an effective 7.69, these #s assume a final drive of 1:1, with overdrive 5th
the effective reduction will be less, but I'm too tired tonight to look up
the 5th gears OD #

So in short, an undertaker will allow you to run a 35 or even a 37-40 inch tire
and still have reduction to pull them, now if we can just figure out how to keep
the axles from twisting off like tooth picks ..............

Wild

The problem with trackick tcase gears is that they don't change the high range ratio at all.  So they do nothing for on road driving.
Yeah, basically if you install the undertaker, you also need to change the axle gears to a higher ratio (something like 4.30, 4.62, 4.88), unless you are running something around a 40" tires.  So also add that expense to the cost.  So undertaker cost, driveshaft mods cost, axle gears cost....you could easily have $2000+ in the setup...maybe $3000+, depending on how much of the modding you can do yourself.
5.62 or 5.83 axle gears by themselves aren't going to be the ideal setup either.  But for around $1000, it should be something that you could live with for on road driving.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2011, 06:54:30 AM »
Or you could just stick a 3 speed auto trans in it and keep your 5.125's and run 32's.

Why would this help?  No matter whether he currently has the 4 speed auto or the 5 speed manual, he could just run them either with the OD locked out (3rd in a 4 speed is a 1:1 ratio, just like 3rd in the 3 speed auto), or in 4th gear (4th in the 5 speed is a 1:1 ratio).
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2011, 06:56:04 AM »
If you install 4.62s you will have an effective 6.93 and with  5.12s it will be
an effective 7.69, these #s assume a final drive of 1:1, with overdrive 5th
the effective reduction will be less, but I'm too tired tonight to look up
the 5th gears OD

5th gear ratio in a 4 door trackick 5 speed is .795.
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2011, 09:22:58 AM »
I am one of the lucky ones that have 5:83s.  Found someone that had bought a new set and never installed them.  I am running 31s and the gearing is very good but still not like a stock.  The heavier tires just take more to turn.  Don't get me wrong I love the gearing but just want to share it is not just like stock. 

and here lies the true problem. no matter what the gearing options, the addition to the rolling mass will be the death of your suzuki's power. i'm really thinking that the best option is like Bentparts said...3 speed auto(or at least a lot less work compared to always trying to find your power band shifting thru gears).
BUT....
i have seen some people with 30" tires do some amazing shit with their rigs, and with a winch and skids you can drag it the rest of the way :P
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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2011, 07:01:36 PM »
The rotating mass of 33s is enough to make your Suzuki feel like it's running on 2
cylinders, so to improve the overall performance you need more power, V6 or
forced induction are both excellent ways to get back what tires and gears take
away.

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Re: are 5:83 ring and pinions available
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2011, 08:12:05 PM »
thank you for all the input, it sounds like there is no perfect solution to the problem without spending a ton of money, it feels like maybe the best thing would be scraping out the calmini 6 inch lift and getting a straight axel kit, or selling it and starting over??? :(