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Offline wooky

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #45 on: December 26, 2010, 07:21:36 AM »
Sure, it can be done, but 25 PSI boost on stock internals is going to
grenade sometime, depending on how he drives it.

Stock pistons should only be boosted to 5 PSI or they run the risk
of melting from the heat, and to run 25 PSI he would almost have
to be running Alcohol for fuel, there isn't enough octane in anything
other than racing gas at $7 / gal to boost that high without knock
at a stock Compression Ratio (CR)

5 PSI is good for about 50% increase in power, more than enough
to make almost any Samurai driver happy, and the 1.3L for high RPM
ehhh.. whatever a 1.6 can hit 7000 RPM how high do you want to
spin that engine???




Thanks for the input!! I did not want to spin the engine fast, it was a comment the guy made is why he stayed with the 1.3? Your recomendation for 5lbs of boost is just about what I was thinking, my number was around 7. But if I could get a 50% gain I think I would be happy with that.

So having the 16v head should take care of your concerns of FI and the injectors dont you think?

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #46 on: December 26, 2010, 10:18:47 AM »
What are you building? what year is it?
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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #47 on: December 26, 2010, 02:57:21 PM »
 Wildgoody, I have a BUNCH of 19 lb/hr Bosch style injectors. I can send you some of them if you think that they might be worth messing with for for new setup. They are older Fords, High impedence models.

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #48 on: December 26, 2010, 03:13:33 PM »
Those would work for a boosted 1.3 Samurai, if anyone
has an FI Sammy and want's to add a turbo setup
I could use those to add port injection to a standard Samurai
manifold, but you would be a test vehicle that needs to be
tweeked and driven to see how the new setup works

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2010, 04:08:18 PM »
 Well, I thought that I would offer them. If you still want them for a project PM me with your addy, and I will get them out to you. I guess that I need to go bug the Mushtang guys about some 24 lb/hr models then... for a 1.6.

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2010, 12:47:09 AM »
I added 4 more injectors from a Ford Escort, I think they
were 14 PPH, those added with the stock TBI injector
makes a flow of 25.5-26 PPH, which was not quite enough
fuel at 8 PSI boost at 6000 RPM, the engine ran like a raped
ape, but the mixture meter showed a little lean and I had
the injector cycle set to 100% at that point.

In my opinion a set of 27s would be the smallest, and probably
should be increased to 30s just to run them at lower than 100%
duty cycle.  I later added a set of brown top 36 PPH
Ford injectors from a turbo T-bird, actually from an XR4T-i but
the same engine, those with the TBI actually way over fueled
the engine, making it hard to tune, they were low-Z injectors

If you get any injectors it is best to be of the high-Z flavor, so as
to not draw too much power through the FETs in the injection
computer.

Food for thought
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Offline wooky

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2010, 06:10:14 AM »
What are you building? what year is it?


Its an 87 N/A Sammy?

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2010, 08:21:26 AM »
Ya, you need either to add a FI system or build a carb pressure
box to enclose the boost with the carb and keep the float bowl
pressurized, otherwise the boost will blow the fuel back down the
jets and into the bowl, causing lean running and blown motor
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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2011, 12:59:00 AM »
I can't believe I didn't post this the first time, but a 16V is prime
to add a turbo, and that will pull 33s and not cost nearly as much
as either engine swap.

Sounds like I need to start manufacturing turbo headers and related goodies

Wild

Wild,
I thought about doing it myself but my health won't allow it. If you could do one out
Mild steel and affordable, I would be interested.
Thanks,
Kevin
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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2011, 01:33:21 AM »
I am thinking of swapping my engine with a bigger one but is it advisable. I am thinking of going for a turbo charged one. Need help from techies.

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Offline Jluck

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2011, 07:29:12 AM »
I am thinking of swapping my engine with a bigger one but is it advisable. I am thinking of going for a turbo charged one. Need help from techies.



bigger than what? we need to know if you currently have a 1.3 gas or maybe a 671 blown nitro-methane 454? is it in a Suzuki or a 33 ford roadster maybe? :P  a bit more key info necessary. ;)
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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2011, 09:37:35 AM »
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Wild,
I thought about doing it myself but my health won't allow it. If you could do one out
Mild steel and affordable, I would be interested.
Thanks,
Kevin

I answered this in another post on a different forum, but I would not do mild steel,
and for not much more stainless is the best, no flaking problems

heavy quality all professionally TIG welded about $250-300
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Offline KJMac

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2011, 11:50:32 PM »
Wild,
That is reasonable to say the least, it seems you did respond to a post I put up
Elsewhere. It looks as if I have MS so least I have an excuse for being senile! Lol!
I want the turbo header you are graciously willing to build for a great price but I'm broke
And need to generate the dough.

What could I sell my complete front drive system from a '96 tracker? It has new unit
Bearings/seals, manual hubs, shafts with nice boots and joints, center section with 5.12 sport
third member, a/arms. What should I ask for this? I would like to save it because it is 26 spline
But I need more power!

I personally have a rebuilt garret T-2 that was setup for a 1.6 liter engine. That flange would be good
If I upgrade to a T25 or T28 and with adapter I could do a T-3.(on the big side)
Thanks for any help! I would love to buy your turbo header!
I'm running 235 tires and would like to go up to 30/9.50 tires so I would think it would still be economical.

Thanks,
Kevin
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Offline ender06

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2011, 05:41:21 PM »
OK, so I have read thru this a little bit. Considering a FI setup on my 1.6 16v. I am pretty knowlegble about FI seeing as how I built a Rear mount on my 2002 Chevy 2500HD 496. Ok, got a few questions. How much boost will the stock injectors handle? If upgraded injectors, does the ECM need to be tuned? Did you vent the crack case anyway? What size turbo?? I know my 8.1L (496) turns a 76mm over real easy, but that ALOT of cubes on it. I know MUCH MUCH smaller is needed but IDK how much smaller. I think you said 5* retard in the time? What else is require to keep from blowing or melting anything.  I guess a whole new WIDE open exaust would help the turbo breath. Mine is a 5spd, I guess a BOV would be wise to run. What size intercooled is good to run. Or could we keep a LOW boost NON intercooled? OR non intercooled with METH injection would be sweet...hmm. Ideas ideas...

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Re: big engine decision
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2011, 12:13:39 AM »
Just about any turbo from a stock 1.6 to 2.0 engine will do a good
job, keep the boost at 5 or so or you run the risk of melting pistons,
and what ever size intercooler you can fit will be better than none at
all, but the bigger the better for cooling, lag isn't going to be an issue.

Yes a BOV would be good to have if you want to keep the boost up
during shifts, and a 2.5" exhaust is a good fit under the truck and
flows good for a turbo setup

Wild
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