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Re: New 87 Samurai
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2010, 05:03:42 AM »
wooky:  I kept stock springs on the back as well.  One item to be aware of is that I never had the overload springs since I have an SJ-410, so it was probably a bit softer then a stock Samurai.  But eventually went to a coil rear end with a 4 link.  Ran 5" of lift with cut out rear fender wells to clear the tires.

Doing the RUF conversion required moving the shock mounts forward 1.5", I went with a set of cut down F-250 shock towers. The shocks are from a 93 F-250 as well, 9.5" of travel.  I run my shocks off of the top of the axle on the spring pads instead of welding on new mounts on the bottom of the axle.  After installing the RUF and folding shackles I measured the amount of flex and cut down my shock mount accordingly, this way I could avoid having to run a 12-14" travel shock.  A standard SPOA and RUF conversion with fixed shackles will probably only require a 7-8" travel shock to cover the flex.

tuxblacray:  You plan on hitting 100 instead?  :D

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Re: New 87 Samurai
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2010, 12:51:18 PM »
Yea, a bit more stable at those speeds.  :D
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Re: New 87 Samurai
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2011, 03:02:14 PM »
Ok fellas, I have been doing some research and would like to see some pics and get some advice on this new direction I am planning on going.

I am thinking of staying SPUA. The things I have read say that the vehicle is more stable at speeds and daily driving. Now I know I wont get as much articulation but it should be suffiecent for I am going to use this for. However, I am wanting to know what the best way to go would be with this idea, RUF, or YJ configuration?

The other thing I would like to get some clearification on is the difference between what they call missing link and shackles in different lengths. My thought is, shackles are shackles and missing links have an elbow that pivots between the two mounting points. Is that assumption correct?

I am getting ready to make the purchase of what I am needing so a kit or parts list would be great. (try to save money)!!

Please go into detail as to size of tires I could run, how much lift will I get with either direction I go. As much info. I can get would be appreciated and of course pics would be great as well.

What other things will I have to figure out when doing this? Steering? Bad axle angles, etc. etc.

Thanks

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Re: New 87 Samurai
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2011, 09:10:39 PM »
For a daily driver I would not use the missing link shackles, or any folding shackle system.  If you hit a good enough bump the shackle will actually unfold and allow your vehicle to bounce around.  While not normally a problem it isn't something I would want to worry about with a DD type vehicle.

How large of a lift did you decide to go with?
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Re: New 87 Samurai
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2011, 07:34:02 AM »
Thanks for the response Drone, how high of lift? Well I have gotten so many different answers from different companies I am not at all sure how high. But was thinking around 4-4.5" is what I would want.

I want to run 31-32" tires, I want a low COG and am thinking that SPOA would be out of the equation. If I stayed SPUA I would need to get larger shackles and taller springs then measure the travle and get shocks.

I would love to be able to run some 33-35" tires and a nice flexy suspension and good driving ability and soft ride?

I am still researching, looking at S/R as well.

I still cant seem to to get the right answers I am looking for? I dont want too much body roll and I dont want brake dip but I want it to drive right and have a good ride as DD plenty of articulation and above all, look great.
« Last Edit: January 18, 2011, 08:58:29 AM by wooky »

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Re: New 87 Samurai
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2011, 03:03:37 PM »
I really enjoy my coil setup on the rear.  If that helps any.  :D

With a standard SPOA I did not see much body roll, but I did not have a nice soft ride either.  For 31" tires with a Spring Under you are looking at a set of Calmini springs.  While they work great and make your rig nice and stable they will ride a bit rough.  There really isn't many ways you can get around the rough ride without some serious suspension work, the short wheelbase and need to lift for tire clearance is a recipe for problems.

If your willing to do some fender trimming you can fit the bigger tires with less lift.  I ran 33"x12.5 with a 5" SPOA, it did require the rear fenders to be cut out.  With the front fenders trimmed I have room for 35" tires without rubbing and the front end is slid forward 2" for a softer ride.

tuxbaby has a nice build for comfort and ride.  A 1.6l engine for more power and the shackle reverse, which gives you 2" of lift, and 30" tires which is more then enough clearance for 90% of the trails you will run into.

I hate to say it, but as a DD my Tracker is still a better choice then my SJ.  Just for the extra room inside and more base power.  While a Sammy can be made pretty nice it will never be a sports car with 33" tires.  :)
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Re: New 87 Samurai
« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2011, 06:12:35 AM »
I hear ya about the power side of these little guys, but I stepped off in it now I have to finish it.

Ok so lets try to say it this way. I am going to get the SPOA kit using the YJ style and RUF and shackles not M/L's, however I may run some M/L's in the back? not sure yet.

If I run shackles and with the style of lift I am wanting to do what are the different sizes I need to make the sammy stance level?

And I will also be using OTT stearring.

I am going to run 33x12.5 tires.

Then I will change out the T case.

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Re: New 87 Samurai
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2011, 06:01:18 PM »
Are you going to use YJ springs or just a straight RUF?

You might want to look into running some CJ springs in the rear, that will help soften things up.  You could skip the folding shackles and just move your front shackle mounting point forward a couple of inches.
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Re: New 87 Samurai
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2011, 05:52:33 AM »
Drone, I am still undecided? I am also undecided on SPUA or SPOA? I really wished I knew someone in my neck of the woods to see/drive a few different lifts? Need to find out more.

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Re: New 87 Samurai
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2011, 11:34:45 PM »
There is no way to go wrong with these rigs, it's part of the fun.   If it was a dd I would really look at some OME springs and 30" tires.  But if you want 31" tires I think SPOA is the way to go.  Just leave the anti-roll bar on and you will be fine for stability.  :)
96 Geo Tracker, x-SJ-410,  x-White Rabbit, x-Project Trouble
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