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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2005, 12:17:18 AM »
I'm struggling with the terminology here. When you say Lock Outs do you mean what we call Free Wheeling Hubs? If the outer stub axle is the bit that slides through the hub into the Free Wheeling Hubs is bigger (diameter?) then do you have to change the front wheel bearings too?
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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2005, 09:58:14 AM »
It sounds to me like what you call a free wheeling hub is what we call a lockout. The wheel bearings do not need to be changed. the axle fits through the spindle.

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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2005, 10:02:44 AM »
OK, Mike, I have the axles, and the lockouts, and just sent Stan the money for the adapter.

Do I HAVE to do the widening mod, or is that optional?
Do I have to grind anything away on my rig?
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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2005, 01:02:07 PM »
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I'm struggling with the terminology here. When you say Lock Outs do you mean what we call Free Wheeling Hubs? If the outer stub axle is the bit that slides through the hub into the Free Wheeling Hubs is bigger (diameter?) then do you have to change the front wheel bearings too?


Rhino, freewheeling hubs and lockouts are the same thing.

The following is from an article on Aisin hubs (source forgotten)
".....many of the parts are interchangeable between hubs from differing vehicles. For example, you can use a junkyard hub from a Toyota for parts to repair a Suzuki. .........The Suzuki and 30-spline Toyota hubs are virtually identical except for the inner hub. The grips on the dial of the 30-spline Toyota hub stick out slightly beyond the cap, where on the others, it is flush. Functionally, the dials are interchangeable between the Suzuki and 26- and 30-spline Toyota hubs. The 26-spline (IFS) Toyota hub has a deeper backspacing between the mounting flange and the inner hub than the other hubs, in order to clear the spindle nuts. Because of this, the Suzuki or 30-spline Toyota hub body will not fit on an IFS toyota wheel hub, but the reverse should work; i.e. a 26-spline Toyota hub body should be usable on a Suzuki or 30-spline Toyota hub. "


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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2005, 05:21:01 PM »
Bob you will need to clearance the back side of spindle slightly, I have not got the anvil yet to trial, it should bolt in.  thanks   stan

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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2005, 05:39:30 PM »
Bob, take pics please and do a write-up as I'm looking at this for mine with a 3" Calmini suspension.

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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2005, 10:58:29 PM »
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Bob, take pics please and do a write-up as I'm looking at this for mine with a 3" Calmini suspension.

YES! PLEASE
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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2005, 02:35:56 AM »
I second pics and writeup! Lots of pics, pretty please ;)

On the topic of swapping in the whole front differential: gearing shouldn't be a problem, as I was doing fine offroad with the 5.12's, so 5.29's (or whatever they are... can't remember off the top of my head) would be great... a little lower, and still strong enough to keep the R&P from being my weak link.
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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2005, 05:20:30 AM »
Wow, this is interesting...
I would really like to do this, can anyone think of a reason why this couldn't be done on a GV?
I would think it would be mostly the same though you never know.
By the way, when you say "widen the front end", in how is that done? Would it simply be moving the spindle outward or possibly moving the whole A-arm out?
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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2005, 05:17:20 PM »
it should work on a GV. to widen you move the rear part of the control arm out wards 3/4"-1"  stan

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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #40 on: May 18, 2005, 04:09:44 AM »
OK, thanks a lot. I'll investigate further, I am very interested!
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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #41 on: May 18, 2005, 05:46:50 AM »
You may not need to widen on the GV's as the cv/ axle shaft are a little longer.  Also you will need to lose the shift on the fly and go to man hubs for this.
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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #42 on: May 18, 2005, 09:02:51 AM »
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you will need to lose the shift on the fly and go to man hubs for this.
George

That's a good idea if you're going for strength, anyway, no?
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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #43 on: May 19, 2005, 12:12:42 AM »
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You may not need to widen on the GV's as the cv/ axle shaft are a little longer.  Also you will need to lose the shift on the fly and go to man hubs for this.
George


Why do you need to loose the shift on the fly? It is all contained in the diff. I don't think it weakens it at all. It is a pretty tough looking assembly
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Re: Toyota IFS (paging Mr. Hagen)
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2005, 12:39:10 AM »
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Why do you need to loose the shift on the fly? It is all contained in the diff. I don't think it weakens it at all. It is a pretty tough looking assembly


Never mind you don't have to replace the shift on the fly stuff.  I was thinking that this was a striaght swap in and splins wouldn't be long enough to work with this set-up. After rereading all of the post that doesn't seem to be the case.
George