is the 1.6 liter sohc 16 V 1994 kicker ECM 58 b 90 (california emissons) able to retrofitted to another ECM of the same specs (standard no air mpi ) ? and is the motor " self destructive.. if the timing jumps does it smash the valves/ pistons or

   thanks for any info

I don't understand the first 1/2 of your question, but there's some debate the the interference engine question...

* The FMU & some people claim the engine is interfearance.
* People I trust have ran tests, and claim the engine is non interference.
* I've never seen (not once) in 8+ years of browsing Suzuki forums someone who's destroyed an engine from interfearance with valves.

I personally believe the Suzuki engines to be non-interference.

My personal experience with breaking a timing belt while driving says they are non-interference (on an 8V engine, not sure about the 16).

I coasted a fair distance in gear (with the engine turning) after it broke with no ill effects.  I replaced the belt and it ran as before.

I think the difference in opinion lies with the situation.  In my case, with a broken timing belt, I would think it very unlikely that the cam stopped with a lobe directly centered over a rocker at max lift.  Once the belt broke, valve spring pressure probably rotated the cam forward or backward until another lobe made contact and it found a happy medium with 2 valves partly open.

In a case where there was a working timing belt driving the cam but the engine was so poorly timed that max valve lift occurred at exactly the same time as piston TDC then maybe the outcome would be different.  I dunno & I hope I never find out!! 

I personally believe the Suzuki engines to be non-interference.

You might want to be a bit more specific - some are, some aren't - I have two different versions of the G13B (the 1.3 litre used in the Swift), an 8V, SOHC which is non interference, and a 16V, DOHC which is.

i have a 16v sohc motor and i think from what i found today after removing the valve cover/timing cover.. that the cam was about 1/4 turn off.. anyways i lined it back up per the book and am buying the new timing belt along with the ecm issue.. i have a 1994 geo tracker with a 58b90 ecm anyways from what ive read in the forums here and zuwahri? and kick-fix.com my ecu is smoked.. no lights no spark no fuel pump.. but opening the ecu it looks like its off the shelf new . we are going to replace the caps on it anyways to try and breath life.. but i tried a 70ea and the fuel pump runs now. the check engine light is on 100% of the time.. still cant get codes of any kind and it will spit and sputter and try to run but no dice..   autozone has a refurb of ?? original origns and id code could be?? the same.. i just want to make it run.. and was hopeing i could loose and extra california crap(if there is any) that i can.. but ill do whatever it takes at this point to get it to run or at least give me more of an idea what doesnt feel good..  oh yes and one key note.. the fuel pump plug is broken and was plugged in backwards and also being in lovely upstate ny the cancer ate a plug in the back where the fuel pump and other wires go through.. i made the splice permanent and sealed there now for a much better connection but these factors also may have caused its demise..  it was a freebie and i got it in the shape its in.. any help is greatly appreciated..  thanks so much

is the 1.6 liter sohc 16 V 1994 kicker ECM 58 b 90 (california emissons) able to retrofitted to another ECM of the same specs (standard no air mpi ) ? and is the motor " self destructive.. if the timing jumps does it smash the valves/ pistons or

   thanks for any info

Not likely that you will be able to run any other number of ECM in it and get it to work properly.  Especially if it is a Cali emissions vehicle (which it may not be).
Get the caps replaced, then try the ECM again.  If you are lucky, then it will run fine.  If it doesn't, post back and we can direct you on what to do next.
If you can't get the CEL to flash codes (and you have the 2 pins jumpered in the plug up by the battery), then it is probably because the mileage interval switch needs to be flipped in the opposite direction.  The switch is located inbetween the steering column and the drivers side radio speaker.  The switch is on the backside of the dash, probably just above the metal crossbar tube that runs along the backside of the bottom of the dash.  You will probably need a mirror to see it, unless you know what you are feeling for.  The switch assembly is about 1"x1/2"x1/2" in size and has a little black slide switch on it and has 3 smallish wires that go into it (they are usually red, white and blue....but I have seen them be other colors as well).  You can sometimes see the switch easier, by removing the little rectangle shaped piece of the dash (it just pulls out) that is located just below the steering column, then using a mirror in the new hole under the steering column to look back towards the drivers side radio speaker.

An auto ECU can be used in place of a manual ECU. From what I have seen it would appear to be possible to swap between different ECUs in the same family by changing the configuration resistors. Can you post pictures of the circuit board?

You might want to be a bit more specific - some are, some aren't - I have two different versions of the G13B (the 1.3 litre used in the Swift), an 8V, SOHC which is non interference, and a 16V, DOHC which is.

I've not read about anyone eating valves (due to a broken timing belt) in any Suzuki or Tracker engine yet. I've read about people taking a good look at the 1.3L. 1.6L 8v and 1.6L 16v heads, and in their opinion, they believe them to be non-interfearance.

Quote from: fordem on July 15, 2009, 05:42:47 PM

You might want to be a bit more specific - some are, some aren't - I have two different versions of the G13B (the 1.3 litre used in the Swift), an 8V, SOHC which is non interference, and a 16V, DOHC which is.

I've not read about anyone eating valves (due to a broken timing belt) in any Suzuki or Tracker engine yet. I've read about people taking a good look at the 1.3L. 1.6L 8v and 1.6L 16v heads, and in their opinion, they believe them to be non-interfearance.

Well - let's change that ...

As I mentioned, I have two different Suzuki G13B engines, an 8v SOHC which is non interference, and a 16V DOHC which IS - so now you've read about someone "eating valves (due to a broken timing belt) in a Suzuki engine".

I won't comment on the Trackers, and I won't comment on 1.3 & 1.6 16v SOHC - I will say in my experience the 1.3 8v SOHC is non-interference, and the 1.3 16v, DOHC IS an interference engine - so at least one Suzuki engine is, and I would not be surprised to learn that more (especially the 16 valve, multiple camshaft engines) are.

It is commonly stated the samurai, and trackick engines (all 1.3 and 1.6s) are non-interference.  While the suzuki car engines are interference engines.
I am not really familiar with the car engines....but are they all DOHC engines?

No - in terms of cars my family have had several Fronte's with 6v SOHC engines, a couple of Swifts with 8v SOHC, a Swift GTi with the 16v DOHC, and a Baleno with a 16v SOHC - I'd say there are probably more Suzuki cars with SOHC engines than with DOHC.

Ah, sorry, I meant to say Samurai or Tracker engine... I knew about the DOHC Swift engine  thanks for clarifying 

  haha hijacked anyways today i looked at my timing ofcourse after reading the threads on timing. i was off by 180 (marks lined up) so i turned the cam to 6 oclock and set the distributor.. now im new why is the distributor 3 ways?  i was a bit confused on it especialy with the haynes showing i think how to time a 88 samuri?? i think or something total diffrent.. but with the help of the board im makeing progress..  We will breath life into this beast yet.. also i believe i found the "switch" for ,mileage  would it make a click?? i did it by accident  mounted under the ecm mounting plate faceing the fire wall? anyways now just waiting on ecm.. i have this 33920-70EA  wich is also MPI and a 1.6 MT but from a 95.. will it work? or is it totaly diffrent?

well after pulling the front cover and oil pan front axle ughh.. not fun to change the oil pump gasket wich was leaking. i did find my alternator to be fried too.. i hope this thing runs when im done with all this    ive already looked at all the solid axle conversions.. hmm i have 3 or 4 sets of those solid toy axles wee... another futer project.. just got to make this one run first..