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Offline ben256

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sidekick cold air intake
« on: July 14, 2009, 04:43:34 PM »
I've got a 1995 16 valve sidekick and am wanting a cold air intake for it. The only place I've found so far is calmini but they only carry intakes for the 8 valve model. Does anyone know where i could find one for mine?

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Offline Jookycola

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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2009, 08:55:29 PM »
takethe stock air box out and cut all 4 sides out of the bottom part.
put a drop in K&N filter.
re-install.
cold air intake.

Remember, the engine bay is very open and spacy.  And the hood on our truck doesn't seal tight.  Plenty of cold ir gets in there.
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Offline Jeremiah

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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2009, 09:36:45 AM »
What you have is a Cold Air Intake. When you install anything that has the intake port in the engine bay, it becomes a warm air intake.

*gasp*

Seriously.

However, the intake piping is so inefficient (small & lots of turns), a short ram intake (even sucking in warmer air charge) makes the breathing more efficient. Some good intake discussion here:
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=24609.0
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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 09:45:24 AM »
I put a random short ram intake on my tracker for a while.....it sounded cool...but murdered my throttle response.   Seriously....if I dove on the throttle...it would wait....wait....wait....then whoooosh! and it would suck in gallons and gallons of warm air.  =)

I get much quicker response in the pedal with the stock box and all the stock piping removed.  Now it sucks in air from between the engine bay and the backside of the fender.  Perfect I think.  My only real problem now is deep water crossings, but that isn't the issue here(*staying on topic*).

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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 12:00:21 PM »
contrary to belief

theres nothing wrong with an intake taking in warm air


it actually might help your fuel economy

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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 01:27:42 PM »
Cold air is preferred - but if it takes too many twists & turns to get to that cold air - it could perform more harm than good. Which is exactly what happens with the stock Suzuki setup. The stock Suzuki setup is also quiet, and helps keep water out during high water crossings. The nice thing about the "poor man's mod" is that it doesn't cost anything, and it's 100% reversible in just a few minutes if you don't like it.
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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 02:20:00 PM »
cold air is preferred for power gains

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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2009, 12:39:13 AM »
k thanks guys, im checking ou that poor mans mod

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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2009, 05:31:33 AM »
contrary to belief

theres nothing wrong with an intake taking in warm air


it actually might help your fuel economy

Any chance you have facts to back up this opinion?

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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2009, 09:21:10 AM »
If warm air was so good for an engine, why do OME's go to all the trouble to draw air from outside the engine compartment? Why do turbocharged systems use intercoolers? Because colder air is denser, therfor you can pack more in, and colder air is less prone to detonation and pre ignition. Also I have what I consider is a TRUE cold air intake: a Snorkle system. For clean "cold" air, look at a snorkle.
The usual stuff, and 2nd generation Air to liquid intercooled TURBOCHARGER

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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2009, 09:38:51 AM »
Other than for outright power it makes little difference, the fuelling is corrected for intake air temperature. If you want to know what works or doesn't then get a scan tool, the ECU reports intake air temperature.
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Offline Jeremiah

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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2009, 10:01:43 AM »
Other than for outright power it makes little difference, the fuelling is corrected for intake air temperature.

We're counting on that. Colder air charge = more dense air. That means more volume of air in the same sized chamber (cylinder). We want the ECU to add more fuel to keep the Air / Fuel ratio optimum (which is why the ECU reads the temp of the air intake charge). The more A/F charge you can squeeze in, the more power is produced during combustion.
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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2009, 10:30:17 AM »

We're counting on that. Colder air charge = more dense air. That means more volume of air in the same sized chamber (cylinder). We want the ECU to add more fuel to keep the Air / Fuel ratio optimum (which is why the ECU reads the temp of the air intake charge). The more A/F charge you can squeeze in, the more power is produced during combustion.
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I understand that, I've even designed my own ECU. This is the sort of job where a scanner comes in very useful. A dyno is not representive because it cannot replicate the aiflow through the engine bay, a scan tool can monitor intake air temperature so you can experiment to get the best setup. You can also check the restriction of the intake by comparing the MAP reading (8V) at WOT with atmospheric. Power is directly proportional to air temperature in degrees Kelvin (from absolute zero) so power gains are easily calculated.
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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2009, 02:39:51 PM »
You are making it sound like cold or warm air make a difference.  Do any of you own a sidekick or tracker?  You all should know better.  There are 2 huge vents on either side of the hood, The entire hood simply just sits on the fenders...no seal at all, and lastly the engine bay is bigger than the 1.6 that sits in it.

There is PLENTY of cold air getting in there.  You don't need a cold air intake, the eintire under hood of the car is filled with air as you drive.  Just cut out the sides of your lower air box and drop in a K&N filter and it's ALL you need.  This mod will keep it dry in rain/snow and still yeild the results you want.  The engine bay IS NOT sealed so it doesn't matter.  Now if we were talking about 90% of any other car that the hood seals when closed, therefore trapping hot air under the hood.  The debate over warm air vs. cold air would matter.  The Track kicks don't have this problem...so the debate is moot.
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Re: sidekick cold air intake
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2009, 03:40:27 PM »
You are miking it sound like cold or warm air make a difference.  Do you own a sidekick or tracker?  

Do you mean me? then yes I do, I own a 2000 8V Vitara which is a first gen, same as a Track/Kick but with a more advanced ECU. I run a Safari snorkel, cutting out the airbox isn't practical in the UK because we do a lot of wading. Personally I suspect that you'd get more of an improvement from a good service. I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just saying that its possible to quantify the results using a scan tool. My own vehicle has the factory bonnet scoop so I get plenty of cold air in there.
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2000 Vitara 1.6, 3+3 Lift, 33"MTs, 5:83s, LWB brakes, Winch, Snorkel, Safari Rack
1986 SJ413K PickUp, 1.6L conversion.

OBD1 - Full diagnostics on a PC/Laptop: http://www.rhinopower.org