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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2008, 09:11:29 PM »
So, Im back from Fla and I got my parts.

I ordered my stuff from LowRange. They are very nice and very easy to talk too. No missing items and no mess ups. I recommend them fully!

This is what i ordered:

Trail Tough adapter plate

Low psi fuel pump

Gm alt. bracket

Dist O-ring and shank ring

Sloppy Shifter Fix Kit

Venturi tube

Soft Top

and while i was in fla at the turkey rod run in daytona i got a gm alt, autometer shift light and kc daylighters

I have some other questions  :-\ 

is the elec fuel pump water proof? it doesn't say anything about it being able to be submerged in water.

Also i was going to mount the pump in the engine bay but it says "must be within 12 vertical inches from fuel tank bottom". So, I dont know if that means as long as its not a foot higher than the bottom of the tank or it has to be also close.

Also should i use the 1.6 intake and exhaust gaskets or the 1.3s? im using the 1.3 intake and exhaust but im not sure what gaskets i should buy. i might just buy all 4 and return what im not going to use.

thanks again

also if you would like pics of my new parts  :) let me know ill post them

Bob
88' Samurai - 5" Lift, 3" DIY Body Lift, 31" Baja Claws, Rattle can flat green, Smittybilt Winch, Custom front bumper, 1.6 swap in progress

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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2008, 09:12:29 AM »
A good place to mount the fuel pump is to replace the stock fuel filter.  There is plenty of room and the fuel lines are already cut. :)

The pump's are usually water proof.  Since your fuel line is a sealed system the only issue is electrical, and DC will run under water. 
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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2008, 06:13:25 PM »
i saw that today when i was trying to figure out where to mount it. I'm just going to have a fuse that lights when it is blown in the cab so if it does go, I'll know exactly what happen at that instant.

thanks drone
Bob
88' Samurai - 5" Lift, 3" DIY Body Lift, 31" Baja Claws, Rattle can flat green, Smittybilt Winch, Custom front bumper, 1.6 swap in progress

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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2008, 04:09:32 AM »
I'm just going to have a fuse that lights when it is blown in the cab so if it does go, I'll know exactly what happen at that instant.

You may not need to, aftermarket pumps are usually quite noisy.
2000 Vitara 1.6, 3+3 Lift, 33"MTs, 5:83s, LWB brakes, Winch, Snorkel, Safari Rack
1986 SJ413K PickUp, 1.6L conversion.

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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2008, 04:20:42 AM »
All that to put in a 1.6 wouldn't it be better to rebuild and beef up the 1.3?

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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2008, 11:52:13 AM »
All that to put in a 1.6 wouldn't it be better to rebuild and beef up the 1.3?

Not really.  The stock US 1.3 is 65hp base, where the 8v 1.6 is 85hp and the 16v is 95.  So if your going to beef up an engine the 1.6 is a much better starting point.  Then you get into price vs performance.  Your going to spend more money on the 1.6 conversion then just putting a new exhaust on the 1.3, but if you need the extra power you might as well only spend money once.

Of course, I still wheel with the stock 970cc in my SJ-410.  :D

When I put the electric fuel pump in I wired up a relay in the engine compartment.  That way I can make sure it is getting full power off of the battery instead of going through the electrical system.  The second pump I bought is pretty quiet but noticeable if the key is on but the engine is not running.  If I let it idle for 15 minutes or so the pump will heat up and start to cavitate due to lack of fuel going through keeping it cool.  But I don't have a return line like you would with a FI setup.
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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2008, 07:06:16 PM »
LOWRIDER  The money i have into the 1.6 swap is not that much. if i only added what i really needed to complete the swap would be 340 dollars. i was lucky on getting the motor for so cheap.

Drone637 i am keeping it carbed. i have everything i need to make it fi but i like the simplicity. i work all day on new cars dealing with stupid elec problems id like to start my car and worry if my tps sensor or maf or injector will go or something stupid like that.  thanks for the heads up on letting it idle to long the pump will start to over heat maybe ill find a fpr that i can run a return line some how.

the only thing i dont like about the instructions is it only tell you how to mount the adapter plate. it doesnt tell you anything about what flywheel/clutch u should use. i know i have to use the 1.3 flywheel/clutch but if i didnt have this forum id be guessing
Bob
88' Samurai - 5" Lift, 3" DIY Body Lift, 31" Baja Claws, Rattle can flat green, Smittybilt Winch, Custom front bumper, 1.6 swap in progress

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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2008, 10:11:16 PM »
 Actually the carb'ed 1.3 only had a whopping 53hp. The injected version got 66. If you do the 1.3 head on it instead you will have much better low-end and mid-range power without having to swear at the fuel pump issue. Absolutely no wiring to deal with.
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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2008, 12:19:32 AM »
everyone is telling me that. im just going to try how she is with the 1.6. plus the big thing about this swap is able to drive comfortably on the highway not to have more power for wheeling even though thats a big plus :P

 i dont mind wiring thats my specialty  ;D

i plan on doing a weber carb so ill end up doing a elec fuel pump. i was looking at the FSM and the samurai has a return line so i can tap right into that when i get the regulator. i got to search what psi is so posed to be going to the carb.
Bob
88' Samurai - 5" Lift, 3" DIY Body Lift, 31" Baja Claws, Rattle can flat green, Smittybilt Winch, Custom front bumper, 1.6 swap in progress

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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2008, 01:43:08 AM »
I thought the 1.0L had the 55hp, and the 1.3L had 65hp base.

I know the multi-port 1.3L is rated at 73hp.  :D
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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2008, 05:06:35 AM »
I thought the 1.0L had the 55hp, and the 1.3L had 65hp base.

I know the multi-port 1.3L is rated at 73hp.  :D

Probably depends on location. In the UK the SJ410 is 45bhp, the SJ/Sammy 63bhp and the Jimny (G13B) 80bhp. The 1.6 has a lot more torque and makes it lower down.
The 1.6 has a bigger fuel pump (carb models), bigger oil pump and bigger main and big end bearings. I'm sure that it would be a lot more durable than a tuned 1.3
2000 Vitara 1.6, 3+3 Lift, 33"MTs, 5:83s, LWB brakes, Winch, Snorkel, Safari Rack
1986 SJ413K PickUp, 1.6L conversion.

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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2008, 06:40:49 PM »
So you can put the 1.3 intake and headers on a 1.6?

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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2008, 07:04:51 PM »
yes.  thats 1.6 8-valve
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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2008, 04:16:26 AM »
So you can put the 1.3 intake and headers on a 1.6?

With a little bit of modification you can use all the 1.3 ancillaries. I did this when I fitted the 1.6 8V into my pickup.
2000 Vitara 1.6, 3+3 Lift, 33"MTs, 5:83s, LWB brakes, Winch, Snorkel, Safari Rack
1986 SJ413K PickUp, 1.6L conversion.

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Re: Another 1.3 to 1.6 conversion question
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2008, 12:51:47 AM »
so i got my tracker its in my backyard  ;D
im trying to look at the headers and see if there's a difference.

  Does anyone know where to get header bolts if they break? also i know ive asked this about 4times but never know there could be someone new looking at the post but im useing the 1.3 intake so should i use the 1.3 intake gasket or 1.6 gasket. the same goes with the header if i use the 1.3 header should i use the 1.3 or the 1.6
Bob
88' Samurai - 5" Lift, 3" DIY Body Lift, 31" Baja Claws, Rattle can flat green, Smittybilt Winch, Custom front bumper, 1.6 swap in progress