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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2008, 10:26:19 PM »
I kept putting off chiming in..
I am a fan of helping the person out if I have the info then recommending the search feature, it is my belief that they will be grateful for the info and the fact that they just learned about a nice feature that this website has, including leaving with a good impression of the site and community...

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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2008, 10:14:44 AM »
Well dang Tim, sorry to see ya leave.
yes, We do mind our Ps & Qs here..

Well, there are still those that are irreverant here.  And as long as there's fellow chop busters, I'll chime in when I feel like I want to.

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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2008, 10:52:49 AM »
Thank's for the information guy's it was very helpful...and to the other that told me to do a search or check my spelling...don't forget, one day you will be stuck :laugh:

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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2008, 11:50:48 PM »
Well dang Tim, sorry to see ya leave.
yes, We do mind our Ps & Qs here..

Well, there are still those that are irreverant here.  And as long as there's fellow chop busters, I'll chime in when I feel like I want to.

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That's why it's such a good place to be..
everything positive, NOTHING negative..

"I LIKE PUPPIES!" :laugh:  That's too warm and fuzzy for me.

Come on now, you Can't take some razzing yourself? :laugh:

I like Puppies but the G/F love Kittahs..
So I'm stuck with those.
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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2008, 01:05:28 AM »
I don't know you Yankee-Tim  and Donald_R  and I don't want to.  If it was my board you would be gone, because I would hit the remove button.....Gawd I hate being negative...sorry Big E

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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2008, 01:48:09 AM »
AND RUDE IS JUST PLAIN RUDE AND THERE IS NO WAY TO JUSTIFY IT.

 As for Donald_R... a true man of words, would never be condecsending....he would relish the chance to teach. Belittling the student, has nothing to do with teaching....food for thought     ;)

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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2008, 06:01:58 AM »
I agree! A razzing is one thing but being ignorant is another. I love giving a good razzing and can get caught up in a heated battle every now and then. But the response the Donald gave was just plain ingorant. I now that there are alot of re asked questions and other things. And it may get annoying. But responses like that maybe he should bit his tongue! If that was a new member to the board, or someone just getting into the sport, I think that he or she would be  a bit discouraged and wouldn't want to be part of it. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't boards like this here to encourage the sport and share info! Lighten up!
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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2008, 06:07:36 AM »
Oh dear, I am at a Girl Scout meeting! :laugh:

Can we pass on the moral lessons (as they won't have any effect on me) and actually post tech since the search button seems to be out-of-order?

Yes, MaD.72, there is a Santa Claus and, yes, many have used YJs to go SAS on Kickers.  First, I assume you are gong to use Toys.  If this is the case, then you've got several things to consider.  One, what tranny will you be running?  Why, you ask?  It affects tire size.  The 3spd auto runs 4.62 R&Ps, and gives you wiggle room to run 5.something Toy R&Ps to regear.  Manuals and 4spd autos run 5.12s, which means its the 5.71 toy gears only, and that won't allow a large tire.  Now, some 16v 2drs with Cali emission ran 4.30s, and you gain more wiggle room with them, but those ain't common at all.

Next, are you going to run S/F or S/R?  Many go with S/F and a M/L-type shackle for ease of install.  Extreme crawlers won't run a S/F set-up for a couple main reasons.  S/R allows the axle to trail rearward upon compression, which makes going over things a little easier.  But the main advantage to S/R is protecting the spring itself from damage. With S/F, eventually  you'll punch a rock with the shackle, and it will move backward, with the net result of a bent spring.  Not great, as springs shouldn't be viewed as a consumable item.  S/R prevents this.

Back to gearing.  What if your rig spins 5.12s in stock form?  Well, you got an option.  A "Kicker3"-type set up will put a Sammy t-case in the mix, and will reduce the high-range by up to 20%, depending on what gear set you put in it.  The problem with that is the offset output from the Sammy t-case.  Some run it fubar with a driveshaft at an angle that no matter what you do, you'll have vibes on the road.  If this is a hitch-bitch, then no worry.  If not, you can remedy this with an offset Toy axle, like what Sky sells.  These are 3" wider than a stock Toy axle, and will require either 1.5" spacers each side of the front axle, or the IFS outers swap (best idea). Wider is better.

If you want to be able to steer PRECISELY on the rocks, you'll need a well-designed panhard bar.  This should be the same LENGTH and ANGLE as your drag link, or it will be more of a hindrance than a help.

As with the need for a S/R up front, unless you want your rear springs to be consumable items, you'll need a well-designed traction bar (anti-wrap bar).  If you run a straight shackle, then the bar needs only two rigid mounting points, one at the axle and one up near the t-case output (like spidertrax used to sell).  If you run a M/L type shackle, you'll need one that has 2 mounting points on the axle and a shackle mount up near the t-case.  Since the M/L will open and make 2 distinct arcs, a 2-pt solid bar will cause binding and prevent the M/L from opening completely.

RatAdapters will allow you to bolt up the Toy driveshafts.  Long-spline driveshaft parts will be in order if you run a S/R up front, or an offset axle in the rear.

Now, your tag line is, "It's not what you buy, it's what you built!!!" and your Sammy seems well built (1987 Sammi, 4.3l  V6 eng, 700R4 Tranny, NP205 T-case, Toyota axle, and more...).  I guess you built it yourself (or your tag line is WAY wrong), so you should be more than capable of taking the advice you got in this thread, along with the info from your searches ::) and start fabbing.

And to the rest of the skirts on this thread, take your own advice and actually post up some tech rather than just posting Rodney King-ish "Let's all get along" bull pucky.  What hypocrites. :P

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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2008, 08:30:29 AM »
Thanks Tim...it's realy appreciate..

Next, are you going to run S/F or S/R?  Many go with S/F and a M/L-type shackle for ease of install.
What is S/F and S/R??

BTW i'm puting all the stuff from the sammi (engine tranny etc) in the sidekick..

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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2008, 11:56:41 AM »
Thanks Tim...it's realy appreciate..

Next, are you going to run S/F or S/R?  Many go with S/F and a M/L-type shackle for ease of install.
What is S/F and S/R??

BTW i'm puting all the stuff from the sammi (engine tranny etc) in the sidekick..

Shackle Forward and Shackle rear/Reversal.
With arched springs the spring effectively gets longer when it compresses. With a forward shackle the shackle (and axle assembly) will move forward, against the travel of the vehicle. If you come up against a big rock and the shackle can't move forward then a bent/broken spring is quite likely. With the shackle at the rear the shackle (and the complete axle) moves backwards as the spring compresses, this makes it easier for the suspension to compress.
The stock Zuk has fairly flat springs, these get shorter when they are compressed so Suzuki put the shackle at the front.
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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2008, 12:32:22 PM »
Thanks!!

Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2008, 06:08:29 AM »
Thanks Tim...it's realy appreciate..

No problem.  I figured someone had to post some useful tech, as there was nothing but pee-pee touching posts going on. ;)

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Next, are you going to run S/F or S/R?  Many go with S/F and a M/L-type shackle for ease of install.
What is S/F and S/R??

As mentioned above by rhinoman.  FWIW, regardless of the spring being flat or arched, if you punch a rock with the shackle, a bent spring will result.  Yankee Bob and I have several flat rear springs from RUF set ups that were trashed this way.  I'm beginning a SAS on my wifey's GV and its getting YJs, with a S/R just for this reason (she drives by Braille).

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BTW i'm puting all the stuff from the sammi (engine tranny etc) in the sidekick..

Should be interesting.  Makes my whole rant about R&P ratios meaningless, as you'll have enuff HP to overcome any ratio. ;D

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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2008, 08:44:46 AM »
Should be interesting.  Makes my whole rant about R&P ratios meaningless, as you'll have enuff HP to overcome any ratio. ;D
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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2008, 10:41:32 AM »
Trust me that info is going to my file :P

As long as your file isn't circular!  ;)

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Re: Leaf spring on a Sidekick!!!
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2008, 03:59:10 PM »
OK I guess I just don't get it. To each his own but why do you guys like the leaf springs? Just the ease of set up?  ???