Quote from: Skyhiranger on December 04, 2007, 08:37:35 AM

I can verify the whole list is accurate, because I have personally seen, had, or pulled every ratio, and every combo, on the list, except for the 89 1.3L 5.625s (but I know that one is correct).

I actually found those 5.62's at a pick-a-part, that's what I'm running in the turd right now. 1.3 carbie=hard as heck to find

The 1.3 carbie came with 5.62's

  According to petroworks I beleive the early 1.3l equipped kicks may have had them.

The 89 1.3L sidekicks had the 5.625 gears.....that has been verified by people on here.

Quote from: flexmonger on December 05, 2007, 06:52:41 PM

  According to petroworks I beleive the early 1.3l equipped kicks may have had them.

The 89 1.3L sidekicks had the 5.625 gears.....that has been verified by people on here.

     Correct it has been verified, but there are always options or exceptions from the norm or this list. As verified by vendors and businesses that deal with parts all day. Such as Petroworks, Trail Tough, Rancho Recyclers and now Carparts.com., which provided me with said gear sets.
        Your statement on what vehicle it is found in is correct, I just contend your timeline when they were used. 

Here is a list.....it is simply designed to tell you what ratio you have based on year, body, engine, and tranny.

89-98 Trackick gear ratios

Year   2 or 4 door  Engine type   Transmission   Axle ratio
89        2              1.3L carb.       5 speed man.   5.625
89-95   2              1.6L TBI         5 speed man.   5.125
89-95   2              1.6L TBI         3 speed auto   4.625
91        4              1.6L TBI         5 speed man.   5.375
92-98   4              1.6L MPFI       5 speed man.   5.125
92-98   4              1.6L MPFI       3 speed auto   4.30
92-98   4              1.6L MPFI       4 speed auto   5.125
94-98   2              1.6L MPFI       5 speed man.   5.125
94-98   2              1.6L MPFI       3 speed auto   4.30
94-98   2              1.6L MPFI       4 speed auto   5.125
96-98   X90          1.6L MPFI       auto or man.   4.625

4.625 gears have an 8/37 tooth count
4.30 gears have a 10/43 tooth count
5.125 gears have an 8/41 tooth count
5.375 gears have an 8/43 tooth count
5.625 gears have an 8/45 tooth count

This is one of the reasons I wish this forum would have technical specs sticky, I would be more than happy to start this, but am no expert on zuks, (still learning).  Great Info!  Searching to find it can some times be a little challenging.

Quote from: Skyhiranger on December 05, 2007, 07:57:49 PM

Quote from: flexmonger on December 05, 2007, 06:52:41 PM

  According to petroworks I beleive the early 1.3l equipped kicks may have had them.

The 89 1.3L sidekicks had the 5.625 gears.....that has been verified by people on here.

     Correct it has been verified, but there are always options or exceptions from the norm or this list. As verified by vendors and businesses that deal with parts all day. Such as Petroworks, Trail Tough, Rancho Recyclers and now Carparts.com., which provided me with said gear sets.
        Your statement on what vehicle it is found in is correct, I just contend your timeline when they were used. 

Yes, there can be exceptions to the rules.  But until I personally see an exception, or personally talk to someone, who has personally ran across the exception, and is a reliable "source", I will stand by my list as being 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% accurate....right down to the year(s). 
This reminds me of a discussion I had on another board.......one guy swore up and down that no 2wd Samurai's were ever made.  He even went on to say "Suzuki knows what they made, and they said no 2wd Samurais were ever produced."  Now, I don't know where he got his "Suzuki statement" that he was quoting, but he was obviously wrong.
The bottom line is.......If someone wants to question my timeline, and has personally ran across an exception, and is a reliable "source", then I will listen......if someone wants to contend my timeline based on hearsay, or "I heard", or "I read"....then don't waste my time.

And as we all know.....vendors and websites are never wrong.   I would bet that they are all pulling their info from somewhere that has it posted wrong, and they have not personally ran across any exceptions to my list.  But, much like the vendors and websites, I could be wrong.
I see that car-parts.com lists some carbs for 90 samurai's.......that's odd, since in 90, all samurais were EFI.
They also list some carbs for 1.6L, 1990 sidekicks......odd, since all 1.6L engines are EFI...and 89 was the only year for a carbed sidekick, plus it was a 1.3L, not a 1.6L.
See a pattern here?

I am through discussing this, from lack of verifiable evidence.  For those of you reading along at home......Take my list for what it's worth.  If you think you will find 5.38 or 5.62 gears in other years/combos than what I have listed.....good luck....but I'm betting you will be wasting your time.

I agree with skihirangers rant ... which reminds me, I still need to take a count on the '91 4dr 8v 3spd ...

when the weather gets nicer here, I'll go rotate the rear and take a count.

yup, a '91 4dr with a 3pd auto is 4.625 diffs.

BTW, one more I would have on this list (which I think is pretty complete) would be the diffs on the *rarish* '95 16v 3spd autos (2dr and/or 4dr) ... I *think* they might be wacky ...

BTW, one more I would have on this list (which I think is pretty complete) would be the diffs on the *rarish* '95 16v 3spd autos (2dr and/or 4dr) ... I *think* they might be wacky ...

They have the 4.30 ratio.....it is included in my list, you just have to look closely......

92-98   4     1.6L MPFI    3 speed auto   4.30
94-98   2     1.6L MPFI    3 speed auto   4.30

I agree, you usually don't see the 3 speed auto, along with the 16V, but they really aren't "rare", IMO.

Quote from: SnoFalls

when the weather gets nicer here, I'll go rotate the rear and take a count.

yup, a '91 4dr with a 3pd auto is 4.625 diffs.

Ok, thanks for checking that.  Did you drop the third out and count teeth, or just spin the tire and count DS revolutions?

Ok, thanks for checking that.  Did you drop the third out and count teeth, or just spin the tire and count DS revolutions?

counted revs ...

I lifted a tire, (it no longer has a DS), marked both the tire and pinion. spun the one lifted tire 9.25 times and pinion was at mark (I assume the pinion spun 10 times, but sheesh it was dark and I was alone and ...). So, 9.25/2 == 4.625.

got a problem with this?

Quote from: Skyhiranger on December 06, 2007, 05:28:33 PM

Ok, thanks for checking that.  Did you drop the third out and count teeth, or just spin the tire and count DS revolutions?

counted revs ...

I lifted a tire, (it no longer has a DS), marked both the tire and pinion. spun the one lifted tire 9.25 times and pinion was at mark (I assume the pinion spun 10 times, but sheesh it was dark and I was alone and ...). So, 9.25/2 == 4.625.

got a problem with this?

For 4.652 gears the pinion flange/pinion/driveshaft spins 4.625 times for every 1 rotation of the tire (assuming both tires are turning the same direction and speed).  If you lift one tire off the ground and spin it (and the other tire stays stationary), the tire in the air will spin 2 times for every 4.625 revolutions of the pinion flange (because of the spider gears in the carrier). 
So by your method, the pinion flange should have spun.......
21.39 times in 9.25 tire revolutions (9.25/2)x4.625 if you have 4.625 gears,
23.7 times in 9.25 tire revolutions (9.25/2)x5.125 if you have 5.125 gears,
24.86 times in 9.25 tire revolutions (9.25/2)x5.375 if you have 5.375 gears.

So based on that info, how sure are you on the ratio?


The easy way to figure ratio (with the diff installed), is to lift one tire off the ground (make sure the other stays stationary), and spin the tire exactly 2 complete revolutions, while counting the pinion flange revolutions.......in 2 complete rotations of the tire, the pinion flange will spin the number of revolutions that the gear ratio is......4.625, 5.125, 5.375, etc.
If you are not able to see the pinion flange rotate.......then before you start spinning the tire, mark the pinion flange at the 12:00 position, then spin the tire 2 complete revolutions.......for 4.625 gears the pinion flange mark should end up approximately at the 7:00 position, for 5.125 gears the pinion flange mark should end up approximately at the 2:00 position, and for 5.375 gears the pinion flange mark should end up approximately at the 4:00 position.

Sorry for questioning you, but I want to make sure I have accurate info.

I'll check again this weekend ... you are right my "process" wasn't correct.

It started raining and dark and ... this rig isn't in a fun place to crawl under yada yada yada ...

Quote from: flexmonger on December 05, 2007, 08:32:32 PM

Quote from: Skyhiranger on December 05, 2007, 07:57:49 PM

Quote from: flexmonger on December 05, 2007, 06:52:41 PM

  According to petroworks I beleive the early 1.3l equipped kicks may have had them.

The 89 1.3L sidekicks had the 5.625 gears.....that has been verified by people on here.

     Correct it has been verified, but there are always options or exceptions from the norm or this list. As verified by vendors and businesses that deal with parts all day. Such as Petroworks, Trail Tough, Rancho Recyclers and now Carparts.com., which provided me with said gear sets.
        Your statement on what vehicle it is found in is correct, I just contend your timeline when they were used. 

Yes, there can be exceptions to the rules.  But until I personally see an exception, or personally talk to someone, who has personally ran across the exception, and is a reliable "source", I will stand by my list as being 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% accurate....right down to the year(s). 
This reminds me of a discussion I had on another board.......one guy swore up and down that no 2wd Samurai's were ever made.  He even went on to say "Suzuki knows what they made, and they said no 2wd Samurais were ever produced."  Now, I don't know where he got his "Suzuki statement" that he was quoting, but he was obviously wrong.
The bottom line is.......If someone wants to question my timeline, and has personally ran across an exception, and is a reliable "source", then I will listen......if someone wants to contend my timeline based on hearsay, or "I heard", or "I read"....then don't waste my time.

And as we all know.....vendors and websites are never wrong.   I would bet that they are all pulling their info from somewhere that has it posted wrong, and they have not personally ran across any exceptions to my list.  But, much like the vendors and websites, I could be wrong.
I see that car-parts.com lists some carbs for 90 samurai's.......that's odd, since in 90, all samurais were EFI.
They also list some carbs for 1.6L, 1990 sidekicks......odd, since all 1.6L engines are EFI...and 89 was the only year for a carbed sidekick, plus it was a 1.3L, not a 1.6L.
See a pattern here?

I am through discussing this, from lack of verifiable evidence.  For those of you reading along at home......Take my list for what it's worth.  If you think you will find 5.38 or 5.62 gears in other years/combos than what I have listed.....good luck....but I'm betting you will be wasting your time.

Rant no more. I told you there are exceptions to every rule and that this r+p is inherently a rare gear set. I personally have purchased 4 of these gear set over the years and know they exist from your rather narrow year vision. One has come with an abs sensor on it while the others have not.
   According to the suzuki dealer and Hawk,Trail Tough, Petroworks and Rancho recycling (which are not verified according to your standards) they were offered for more than one year.
       5:38 gear set = suzuki part#27300-60822  were offered from 1989-1995 for the sidekick 4 dr manual
Now skyhigh ranger tell me what year they started using the abs or speed sensor on the rear kick diff? Or would you like me to call the dealer and find that out too?
  Remember your info is correct but your single year correction is incorrect.

Rant no more. I told you there are exceptions to every rule and that this r+p is inherently a rare gear set. I personally have purchased 4 of these gear set over the years and know they exist from your rather narrow year vision. One has come with an abs sensor on it while the others have not.
   According to the suzuki dealer and Hawk,Trail Tough, Petroworks and Rancho recycling (which are not verified according to your standards) they were offered for more than one year.
       5:38 gear set = suzuki part#27300-60822  were offered from 1989-1995 for the sidekick 4 dr manual
Now skyhigh ranger tell me what year they started using the abs or speed sensor on the rear kick diff? Or would you like me to call the dealer and find that out too?
  Remember your info is correct but your single year correction is incorrect.

While you are talking to the dealer.....
Ask them what drivetrain options got the 5.375 gears, for the years other than 91. 
Find out what the dealer option code was for 5.375 gears for years other than 91. 

How do you know that the 5.375 gears weren't swapped into another year vehicle, before any of your vendors got the vehicle?

Did the aftermarket ever make 5.38 gears?

My 5.375 third that I pulled from a 91 4 door has ABS, so it was evidentely an option that year.

What is up with your statement......."5:38 gear set = suzuki part#27300-60822  were offered from 1989-1995 for the sidekick 4 dr manual"
Where did you get that info....from your sources you mentioned?  If so, I can see how well they pay attention to details.  You do know that 91 was the first year for 4 door sidekicks, don't you?  Or are you going to argue with me on that one too?

Bottom line is.....I am leaving my list as is.  And as I stated before..........my list will be correct 99.9999999999999999999% of the time.  Since it is not 100%, that leaves room for your statement that 5.375 gears can be found in other vehicles other than 91 4 doors.  You can either agree with it or not, I don't really care.

  Suzuki dealer info baby, live with it. This info is not for your list, it is for the zuk enthusiasts that want correct dealer verified info. If none of this info convinces you I really do not care. Get a hobby.
    Your platform is looking weak on your end. No amount of info will change your mind, till you learn for your self. Now it is your turn to go ask all your other questions at the dealer.  My info is backed by suzuki motor corporation, where I see no legitimate orginization backing your "list"  except that you and few others pulled some diffs and came to these conclusions.
   If none of this info convinces you, I really do not care. Get a hobby. Till then zuk on and live a good life with out 5:38's in your life. By the way merry xmas skyhiranger.