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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2004, 05:46:07 AM »
I've been talking with Mike, and I think that that's what I'll be starting out with. Then onto bigger and better things after that ;)
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2004, 10:54:44 AM »
Did we come up with a sourse for limiting straps?
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2004, 10:57:23 AM »
Superlift, but I guess  he's been having problems with those straps, so he's looking for different ones.
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2004, 11:54:03 AM »
THe BIG Orange Track Kick from the Pirate board.  That guy was making and selling Limit straps.  

Did some one say Soild axle..  Where is that Puke 'n Smiley when ya need it.     Just kidding...   Their are some super nice well functioning Solid axle Track Kick rigs.  I'm hoping to be able to follow them some day.

Building the IFS further is an adventure the trip their is part of the fun.

Building the Centered diff with stock arms would help the CV's angle but you'd  miss the chance to improve the travel, flex, and steering.  Plus the difference in arc travel would make the CV shafts move excessivly back and forth.  This is an issue with the stock arms and shaft traveling in the same arc pattern, making them follow a differnt pattern (seperate form one another) can only make matters worse.   But were not talking about stock CV's when we talk centered diff, so i'm open to hear other ideias.  
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2004, 12:00:23 PM »
I was thinking one step at a time.

I don't think the CV travel would be that much with shorter arms.

I've seen too many people take on too much and really screw things up.

Make a center diff. work out the bugs and move on from there.
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2004, 06:56:15 PM »
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Procomp, but I guess  he's been having problems with those straps, so he's looking for different ones.


I found these, dont know about quality though
http://www.crawltech.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=&products_id=758
http://www.tandjperformance.com/products-suspension-limitstraps.htm

and I know that Rancho also makes /sells limiting straps.
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2004, 01:14:34 AM »
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I was thinking one step at a time.

I've seen too many people take on too much and really screw things up.

Make a center diff. work out the bugs and move on from there.


I can understand and appreciate that approach, My steering is still in the scare the Heck out of ya stage.  
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #52 on: October 04, 2004, 12:24:42 AM »
Here's my 2 cents. Look at that walker evans tube buggy that was using IFS. They end up switching to solid axles. They were using 3inch dia chrommoly shafts. You might of seen it in petersen's 4x4 mag.  Also the diff is never going to move outta the way of whatever obstacle that's in front of it.  U have a nice tracker by the way. i would seriously consider going with a soild axle swap using maybe 10 inch fox coilover or something like that. It's seems to me that your a capable fabricator but spending so much time on the cv shafts. that might or could keep breaking isn't worth it. I know soild axles brake too but parts seem to be cheaper. i saw this quote or something close to it in petersen's 4x4 they don't put IFS under trains or dump trucks.  U could sell some of your IFS stuff to fiance it? A toyota axle or chebby d44 or 12 bolt might be a good choice. Also u will need to consider brake lines. Do u see what i'm saying your concerned about operating angle right? i've seen A guy drive a H1 up a travel ramp with one wheel off the ground and proceed to flip it on it side to show off! :o ::).  I know u must be concerned about highway ride right? I've driven a stock tracker and they aren't the best on road anyway due to the short wheel base.  Sorry to ramble on but i guess instead of .02 cents I gave u a quarter. ::)
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #53 on: October 04, 2004, 01:58:10 AM »
I am the only persom in my club with IFS. I am also the only person in my club that can/will drive their vehicle ANY distance to an event, ride the event, and drive it home. You dont have to go solid axle to build a good trail rig. For a good example look at the main page (Working and Wheeling RPM Style). I rode with Mike all weekend at Apple Valley and he went MORE places than all of the larger solid axle trucks, that were locked, larger tires and more motor. There were many places that he effortlessly walked up the most if not all of the other SAS trucks could not make.

It's all in what you want out of your vehicle. I can not do all of the trails that the other members of my club can do with their cab stucks and Jeeps on 42"+ tires but I can do 90% of what they do and dont need a tow vehicle to do it ;D

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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2004, 02:10:45 AM »
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I am the only persom in my club with IFS. I am also the only person in my club that can/will drive their vehicle ANY distance to an event, ride the event, and drive it home. You dont have to go solid axle to build a good trail rig. For a good example look at the main page (Working and Wheeling RPM Style). I rode with Mike all weekend at Apple Valley and he went MORE places than all of the larger solid axle trucks, that were locked, larger tires and more motor. There were many places that he effortlessly walked up the most if not all of the other SAS trucks could not make.

It's all in what you want out of your vehicle. I can not do all of the trails that the other members of my club can do with their cab stucks and Jeeps on 42"+ tires but I can do 90% of what they do and dont need a tow vehicle to do it ;D

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well that's cool but I trying to see it from a reliabilty/cost factor that's all.  personally I wouldn't want to have to keep repairing cv joints or weld up a center diff housing and other stuff that could break.  I just don't see the point of throwing a bunch of $ into IFS when it doesn't allow for alot of body roll. IMHO
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2004, 02:19:34 AM »
i have same opinion as zukipilot. (zig). there are always going to be advantages for going SAS, and as zig mentioned, still being able to drive 90% of what others can with IFS, is one of the better things.

i dont know about how many people trailer their trail rigs to the trails, but i know that trailers are a hassle, to me anyway.

its not really how hardcore/over-board you want to go, it how capable you want your rig to be.

one of the main reasons why i got a vitara, was that everyone else has a sierra, and its easy to mod a sierra hardcore (for anyone with money). its more difficult for a vitara to reach the same level, BUT, it gives me a challenge, the challenge to build and develop the IFS to equal/better the Solids.  i'd probably get bored after a while with a Sierra, as there is only so much you can do until you go beyond DD, and road drivable rig.

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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2004, 03:14:51 AM »
I think if you want a straight axil go get a Sami or a Jeep.  

THAT would be easier and more cost effective.

I bought mine because it was a cheep 4x4 convertible that the family could ride around in on hot days.  After a while I came to appriate the lil truck and started to build it.

I'm the only one that has a IFS on 32's and run with Jeeps with 35-38's.  I can go almost anywhere they can except for deep deep deep mud!  The IFS gives me the added clearance that the bigger tires give the other guys.  Then add in how light it is...

And for breakage as a persentage.  I am very low on that pole.  I've never been pulled out or left on the trail.  And like the article about Mike said "12-15 minutes and the CV axil was changed".  (Can't do that with a solid axil)

Also, not one of the Jeeps I hang with have the original axils in them (Dana 44's and 60's).  So talking about upgrading our stock CV's isn't out of the ordinary.

The CV is the weak point and it would be nice to find a solution for it.  When we do, we will then find the next weak link.
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2004, 03:58:13 AM »
that's cool whatever floats your boat 8)
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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2004, 04:06:00 AM »
i think that main resone to run IFS is because we want to do everything different.  you could always build a Heep but it takes some real thinking to build a bad ass Tracker.

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Re: Flexy CV joints
« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2004, 07:56:27 AM »
So far most of the sammy guys who part out Kicks seem to have a surplus of super cheap IFS parts (Often just throwing them away).  But I haven't broken anything yet.
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