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1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.

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Offline TrakJD

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1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« on: October 30, 2007, 12:24:29 AM »
battery and starter are good.  Would the anti theft chip be the factor to this?  I mean when i first got this, I had to make sure that the chip was all the way in the "little plastic" thing under the steering column.  Otherwise it wont turn over.  is there a way I can disable this?  Im just trying to think of something..... I just dont get it.

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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2007, 01:31:10 AM »
Try jumping directly to the starter using a screwdriver or a wire.  That way you can see if the starter works or if it is an electrical issue.
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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2007, 01:17:59 PM »
battery and starter are good.  Would the anti theft chip be the factor to this?  I mean when i first got this, I had to make sure that the chip was all the way in the "little plastic" thing under the steering column.  Otherwise it wont turn over.  is there a way I can disable this?  Im just trying to think of something..... I just dont get it.

I have one of those chip things in mine, but i think the chip is in there, and broken off.  I've never messed with it.

The switch that is engaged by the clutch pedal might also be defective.  It's like a neutral safety switch, but operated by the clutch pedal, meaning you have to have your foot on the clutch to start it.  if it doesn't work, the car won't attempt to start.

You can take the 2 wires off and hook them to a blade fuse to bypass the switch.  I did it to mine, thinking the switch was bad, and i left it like that so i don't have to push the clutch in to start up the car.
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Offline TrakJD

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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2007, 06:46:04 PM »
Is the Clutch Switch the green wire???

So, i just pull the two wires and twist them together and put it in the blade fuses? How?  Got a pic on how to do this?


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Offline Digger

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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2007, 06:54:22 PM »
The clutch switch is a plunger-type switch that acts like a door pin switch that turns to dome lights one when the door is open. It is mounted on a bracket and the clutch pedal's arm hits it when it's not being pushed down. You take the two wires off of that switch and connect each wire to each blade of the fuse. When you are done you should have no left over wires or un-used fuse blades...
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Offline TrakJD

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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2007, 07:05:24 PM »
ok, any fuses blade on the box?  or is there a specific one???

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Offline Digger

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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2007, 08:29:18 PM »
leave the fuse box out of this. All you need is a single blade type fuse. 5 amps is probably plenty. If you want to get fancy, use a fuse holder with wires coming out of it. You don't even really need a fuse to check and see if the switch is your problem, just connect the two wires from the switch together and see if the car turns over. If so, you'll know the switch is bad. You can either try to clean the switch, replace the switch or bypass the switch as described above. The safest way to bypass is with a fuse, but just be sure to cover the connections with tape so it can't short out. Also keep in mind that once that switch is bypassed, the car can start in gear, which might cause problems in a parking lot or anywhere that you're parked up against anything.
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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 10:31:23 AM »
I tried that, Nothing turns over. 

Here I have crossed off....

-Battery's ok.
-Starter's ok.  (Had it rebuilt 6 months ago)  Could it fail on me again?
-ECM is ok. (had it fixed 6 months ago)
-Ignition switch, cleaned it up.  (had a little dust)

I also noticed a screw with wires on it that goes to the transmission... its like if its for speedometer? well it snapped?  would this be it?  Which I highly doubt it.

Replace the battery cables?  Neg and pOsitive?  See if it makes any difference?

Any ideas would be appericated.....

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Offline Digger

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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2007, 06:51:15 PM »
Are you getting any clicking from the starter when you try to start it? It is possible that the starter has gone bad again... Especially if there is excess oil being flung around by a leaky rear crank seal...

This is a manual transmission, right? Have you tried roll-starting it yet just to make sure it runs? Does all of the lights and dash lights and such still work?
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Offline TrakJD

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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2007, 10:49:23 PM »
Yeah its a 5 spd.

Roll start it... Not yet.  Im waiting for a help from a friend.  I live on a steep driveway.  lol

Starter... bad again?  But i had it tested, it turned out fine.  13.5V.  But there's OIL inside the pinion teeths.   When I rebuilt the motor, the oil was everywhere.  Main seal was bad, and had a spun rod bearing.  IT has been sitting for the last 6 months.  When i pulled the motor out to rebuild it. 

And I work all the time, so when i have some spare time, I put the motor together.  Now that its done and its back in.

I did thought that the starter cld be bad again, or the ECM's fried?  Because at one point i accidentally hit the positive cable on the negative cable attached to the battery.  It blew the 60A fuse.  Before trying to start it up for the first time. That's when no lights were coming on, then i replaced the 60A fuse, all of the electrics came on, but the clicking.... nothing.

Is there someone that lives near Sea-Tac Airport up in Seattle, WA.  I would pay you or someone to come in and check.  It would be greatly appericated.  Im just hella frustrated with this...... GRRRR.

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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2007, 12:04:11 AM »
I tried to push start it.  Wont even budge.  Im starting to wonder if.... the starter is NO good after all?  Again.

Let me know what you think?

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Offline Digger

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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2007, 10:10:55 AM »
Do you mean you couldn't get the car to move or the engine to turn over? The starter has nothing to do with pushing it...
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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2007, 02:52:43 PM »
It sounds like a seized engine to me!  If it won't spin the engine when pushing.  The starter won't start because it can't spin a seized engine.  MAYBE?
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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2007, 09:27:27 AM »
OK, I wasnt clear.  I let it roll down the hill, and pop the clutch, it wont start.  And I am still not getting the clicking noise from the starter.  I know its electrical somewhere.  I just cant figure it out.

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Re: 1990 Geo Tracker wont turn over.
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2007, 02:10:12 PM »
Did you try jumpering the clutch safety switch...  ...the one up on the clutch mechanism that prevents the starter from turning unless the clutch pedal is pushed down???  If the switch is bad, the starter won't do anything...   ...it was a problem on my '96, and a piece of wire across the plug fixed it...
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