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1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« on: December 09, 2004, 03:05:36 PM »
I am rebuilding a '96 tracker 1.6 engine to put in my sami.
It is not practical for me to use the 16 valve head that came on the 1.6, and i don't want to buy a 8 valve head for the 1.6.
Can i use the 1.3 head from my 92 carbureted sami on the 1.6 block, and what repercussions/modifications am i looking at ?? thanks...
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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2004, 03:12:43 PM »
The head is a direct swap, but the distributor
drive is head specific, you need to use the 1.3
drive housing on the 1.3 head, but the distributor
might not fit the 1.3 housing, I had to remove the
tip of a 1.3 distributor to fit into a 1.6 head, if I
remember right, the 1.6 dizzy fits the 1.3 OK
but I'm not sure, and you need to block the fuel
pump opening if you aren't using it

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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2004, 09:07:38 AM »
whats the advantage of the 1.3 head?  I figured the 16v would be better
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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2004, 09:40:50 AM »
the advantage of not using the 16 valve head is the fact that 1.) i live on a fixed income and 2.) buying the ECM and going through the hassles of wiring the EFI is a royal pain on me and 3.) i have a running 1.3 with a good head on it, and 4.) i can sell the 16 valve head and EFI parts to offset the cost of rebuilding the block.
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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2004, 11:15:54 AM »
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The head is a direct swap, but the distributor
drive is head specific, you need to use the 1.3
drive housing on the 1.3 head, but the distributor
might not fit the 1.3 housing, I had to remove the
tip of a 1.3 distributor to fit into a 1.6 head, if I
remember right, the 1.6 dizzy fits the 1.3 OK
but I'm not sure, and you need to block the fuel
pump opening if you aren't using it

Wild


I think this will confuse you here, if you just swap the head onto your 1.6 block keep everything intact on the 1.3 head, intake, carb and including the disty.

I did this setup on my first zook and noticed a big difference in low end torque compared to using the 1.6 head. later on I added an isky cam, thorley header and a pony carb. the damn thing cruised at 120 km/h on 31's and 3.90 gears.  

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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2004, 11:21:42 AM »
one thing I forgot to mention is that there is a lower compression rate in the 16 valve lower blocks due to the pistons and rings. might wanna swap in your 1.3 pistons with new rings unless you wanna go the turbo route ;D

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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2004, 12:03:01 PM »
Pistons and rings, along with the wrist pins
and the rods are all different on a 1.3, and
actually the 1.6 16V head CCs out at fewer
than the standard 1.6 8V, which compensates
for the pistons clearance cuts.

The difference isn't going to be noticable,
don't swap the pistons, it won't work and
it's not needed

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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2004, 12:15:48 PM »
any way i go on this project has to be an improvement over a gutless 1.3 with low compression at high altitude (5500 feet)  i have seen what a fresh 1.3 can do, but when they add up some miles, they get like mine.
the 1.3 i am driving doesn't knock or smoke, but won't get out of its own way.
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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2004, 01:59:58 PM »
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might wanna swap in your 1.3 pistons with new rings unless you wanna go the turbo route ;D

does this mean that the 1.6 is justa stroked 1.3?
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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2004, 02:02:59 PM »
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does this mean that the 1.6 is justa stroked 1.3?


the 1.3 has 2.91 bore x 3.03 stroke
the 1.6 has 2.95 bore x 3.54 stroke

either way it is still undersquare, which is better for a high revving engine.
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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2004, 02:06:12 PM »
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The difference isn't going to be noticable,
don't swap the pistons, it won't work and
it's not needed

Wild

so you're saying that the 1.3 head (with int/exh and dizzy) will work on a 1.6, but is it better to finda 1.6 8v head?  And what years 1.6's will accept the 1.3 head setup?
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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2004, 02:12:07 PM »
in theory, i should gain some low end torque by using the 1.3 head on the 1.6 block. the years i am experimenting with are: 92 sami 1.3 head and a 96 1.6 formerly 16 valve block. today, when i dropped the block off to the machine shop to be miked and vatted i set a 1.3 head gasket on the block deck and the holes lined up perfectly. i would assume all years would be the same bolt, oil, and coolant passsages between block and head.
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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2004, 02:14:26 PM »
EFI requires an EFI Dizzy

The 1.6 is a stroked 1.3,
kind of, 1.6 is 1mm bigger
bore, but the stroke on a
1.6 is 90mm about 25mm
greater than a 1.3, and the
1.6 block is 25mm taller too
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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2004, 02:16:26 PM »
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EFI requires an EFI Dizzy

The 1.6 is a stroked 1.3,
kind of, 1.6 is 1mm bigger
bore, but the stroke on a
1.6 is 90mm about 25mm
greater than a 1.3, and the
1.6 block is 25mm taller too


so does this mean now i will have trouble with the correct length timing belt ??
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Re: 1.3 head on 1.6 block hermaphrodite
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2004, 02:17:24 PM »
Yes, all years, but make sure you get
the oil hole right or you will smoke a cam
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