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Offline atc_gv

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Warning about wheel spacers!
« on: October 18, 2006, 07:45:51 PM »
Well I was driving to Colorado from California today and on the freeway two wheel studs broke clean and the remaining three stripped. It was the drivers side rear. I think that the wheel spacers where not torqued tight enough creating a couple of millimeters of give. The torque from the rear wheels during stopping and going was enough to break the studs off. Right now I'm stuck at Lake Havasu and should get out of here tomorrow. The rear shock mount got grinded down from skidding on it so a shop is fabbing up a new mount and putting in new studs. Just be careful with these wheel spacers guys. I guess they are not DOT approved for a reason. Lesson learned :'(

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Offline ngrover

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2006, 08:58:08 PM »
woa man... glad you are OK.

I guess this is confirmation for those that say they aren't safe.... good to know because I contemplated ordering some. I don't think I'd want to explain to my wife and kid that our wheels flew off because I'd been screwing around with wheel spacers !
2000 Suzuki Grand Vitara, 5spd. 2.5 inch lift, 225/75R16 AT's

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2006, 09:42:48 PM »
Please tell me these were not Spidertrax spacers.  I somehow doubt they were.  Spidertrax uses 6061 T6 aluminum and have their own studs.  Much better and safer than the  cheap ones that merely shorten the length of your factory studs and create a hazard.  Not to mention they run them on trucks that are literally going over boulders and stuff.  Where did you get 'em??
Thanks.

Dave
1999 Grand Vitara w/CALMINI Suspension and RRO Body Lift, 31" Goodyear MTR tires, Skidplates, 5.12 Diffs with a Lock-Right in the rear.

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2006, 09:16:26 AM »
No they are not spidertrax. Those are the best and built the strongest out of them all. They were 
from ezaccesories.com or something like that. I was looking at the spidertrax ones last night and notice they come with locktite. I did not use lock tight on mine and think that might be the culprit.
I read some where else that the lug nuts can get loose. So if you do have to use spacers make sure to use shank lug nuts with plenty of locktite.

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2006, 10:06:07 AM »
did the spacers have their own studs? or were they litterally spacers with the wheel itself mounted to the stock studs?
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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2006, 08:36:35 PM »
I'm tempted |removethispart|@ this point to do the following:

get some 1/4" or thicker wheel spacers (the boltless washer kinds)

and get some longer lug nuts
I think this is the safest way to go
03' 2.0L CAMI Tracker w/ 1.5" Front Spacers, 2" Rear Spacers, 1 & 1/4" poly-rubber rear spacer w/ hose clamps, Monroe Crown Vic interceptor rear shocks,1/4" bumpstop extenders, 1.5" strut Extenders, removal of sway bar and strut bar + plenty of cutting for 245/75/16 Goodyear MTRs

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2006, 12:30:11 PM »
Ngrover brought up a very important rule in regards to wheel spacers & wheels

They are hub centric

So, I asked a mechanic buddy of mine his opinion, and he said that you should "find" wheels that have either the "perfect" bore size or a if a larger bore, to ensure it comes with shims to allow the hub to be snug

the weight of the vehcile should not rely on ly on stud bolts
So using wheel spacers, not only puts that much more force on the stock bolts, you add an extra point of failure and as well the wheel will not be putting any force on the "hub"

So... at this point I am not sure where to get the "perfect" wheels for us
I'm tempted to say Rocky Road's deal w/ US wheel i.e. their 84 wheel w/ the custom backspacing might just be right as long as the center bore is perfect
03' 2.0L CAMI Tracker w/ 1.5" Front Spacers, 2" Rear Spacers, 1 & 1/4" poly-rubber rear spacer w/ hose clamps, Monroe Crown Vic interceptor rear shocks,1/4" bumpstop extenders, 1.5" strut Extenders, removal of sway bar and strut bar + plenty of cutting for 245/75/16 Goodyear MTRs

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2006, 10:57:10 AM »
The spacers had thier own studs, but the thickness of the spacer where you bolt on is thicker than a normal wheel. Lug nuts with a 1/4" shank should do the trick and make me feel safe again.

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2006, 08:33:45 PM »
Seen this happen.

Tip. clean ur drums perfect bare metal. then apply a light coat of antize and then put the spacer on. Take all the nuts put loctite on them and turn them all by hand and use the nuts to center them. then torque them to 15ftlbs then 30 then i think its what 55 ft lbs i forget. Biggest prob with spacers is tehre is no hubcentric ring in them so they do not align. never use a impact.

Shit man glad u are ok.

I have spider strax on mine i was gonna upgrade to 1.5" for the rear but i dunno now. Any pics?
01 GRAND VITARA

JBAUTO LONGTUBE HEADERS AND 2.5" JBAUTO EXHAUST

New project H27 in the GV goal 200 Wheel Horse Power  JPB 1.75"front 2" rear Grand Vitra lifts  www.jbauto.ca[/url]

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Offline ngrover

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2006, 08:48:24 PM »
I've been in contact with a guy on ebay who makes custom machined wheel spacers from 6061T6 billet aluminum. He said he would make me four 1.25 inch spacers that are hub centric both in terms of how the spacers fit on the vehicle and in terms of how the wheel fits onto the spacer. He quoted me $240 for four spacers and $45 for shipping to Canada. I think I might take him up on it. His ebay handle is "gotdubs20" .. and here is one of his listings: http://tinyurl.com/ympvpo

A bit spendy but once I learned that the RRO wheels are not hub-centric I kinda lost my enthusiasm over paying $600+ CAD to my door when they weren't a perfect solution. That ebay dude also has a pretty good reputation from what I can tell so I think he would make a good a product as can be.
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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2006, 06:47:59 PM »
All spacers man use the lug nuts to center it. Its hard to do jack the car up and use a socket and ur hand then tighten them up by hand make sure they all seat then torque them. Same thing for the wheel.

Ive had min on my GV for 2 years over 45,000 km not one prob.
01 GRAND VITARA

JBAUTO LONGTUBE HEADERS AND 2.5" JBAUTO EXHAUST

New project H27 in the GV goal 200 Wheel Horse Power  JPB 1.75"front 2" rear Grand Vitra lifts  www.jbauto.ca[/url]

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Offline ngrover

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2006, 06:53:38 PM »
incorrect, you can buy spacers that are hub centric to the wheel and the hub. In fact I'm having some custom made. have a look at the spacers on this link, they are hub centric to the hub and the wheel.... that's what i want.

http://bernardembden.com/xjs/hubcentric/index.htm
2000 Suzuki Grand Vitara, 5spd. 2.5 inch lift, 225/75R16 AT's

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2006, 07:04:56 PM »
yes i know that but from the spacer to the wheel tho
01 GRAND VITARA

JBAUTO LONGTUBE HEADERS AND 2.5" JBAUTO EXHAUST

New project H27 in the GV goal 200 Wheel Horse Power  JPB 1.75"front 2" rear Grand Vitra lifts  www.jbauto.ca[/url]

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Offline JDMCRX

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2006, 07:06:03 PM »
Nice just looked at there site. Well see if he can do them in that large of a bore and allow clearence for the hub locks thats the hard part.
01 GRAND VITARA

JBAUTO LONGTUBE HEADERS AND 2.5" JBAUTO EXHAUST

New project H27 in the GV goal 200 Wheel Horse Power  JPB 1.75"front 2" rear Grand Vitra lifts  www.jbauto.ca[/url]

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Re: Warning about wheel spacers!
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2006, 07:12:02 PM »
So how much for those custom spacers and where are you getting them?