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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2005, 11:00:44 AM »
So, is this used instead of locking hubs?  Suzuki's answer to 4wd on the fly?
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2005, 11:46:27 AM »
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So, is this used instead of locking hubs?  Suzuki's answer to 4wd on the fly?


Yep. ;D
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2005, 11:52:40 AM »
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I have the steel V6 axle with the 5:83 fitted in the GV carrier. Driveshafts are the original 26 spline Track/Kick shafts.
I don't know about the 2wd idea, I thought about it but as I didn't rebuild the diff I don't know whether it could cause some damage driving the diff when its not engaged - what dom you reckon Mudfkr? Would be a nice simple way of achieving 2wd low on a Track/Kick. I think the ECU would probably get upset on a GV.


I did it before on a full size Chevy and on a Jeep Wrangler it worked like a charm. I don't think the ECU sences resistance so It won't even know that you turned off the air pump. Another way to do it would be to put a small electric air purge valve in the air pressure line. That way you can just vent it instead of messing with the wiring.  
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2005, 03:55:38 PM »
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I have the steel V6 axle with the 5:83 fitted in the GV carrier. Driveshafts are the original 26 spline Track/Kick shafts.
I don't know about the 2wd idea, I thought about it but as I didn't rebuild the diff I don't know whether it could cause some damage driving the diff when its not engaged - what do you reckon Mudfkr? Would be a nice simple way of achieving 2wd low on a Track/Kick. I think the ECU would probably get upset on a GV.


I just went out and had a good look at it and  I can't  see why you couldn't use it as a 2low system as there's nothing really to fudge in it unless you were to accidentally activated it while driving.

I dunno about the ECU side, but I don't imagine that the ECU would register no voltage at the pump ?
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2005, 04:00:13 PM »
Rhino,

I forgot to ask was your trucklet fitted with the air actuator from new or did it come with the G/V axle ?

Reason I ask is if it was a normal 26 spline "open" diff you would of needed a new inner drivers (our drivers  ;)) C/V for the air actuator set up ,correct ?
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2005, 11:13:33 PM »
I have the entire  front axle from the V6 with just the R
&P changed, Inner shaft is V6 (air actuated)

I suspect the GV ECU will measure the current going to the pump to verify that the pump has actuated. The Jimny does this.

This is one of Suzukis answers to 'shift on the fly' the Jimny has vacuum (I believe, maybe air) actuated FWHs
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2005, 03:22:53 AM »
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I suspect the GV ECU will measure the current going to the pump to verify that the pump has actuated. The Jimny does this.


It works off pressure build-up

George
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2005, 05:13:27 AM »
With all this talk about the spline #ers you guys wouldn't how much longer the GV vs the kicker shafts are??? (not the splined ends but the mid. part of the shaft) Im looking at Kerry's Toro cv set-up but a would need to know much longer  the shifts inbetween the cv's  would need to be. If I get this info he may be willing to make a set for me.
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2005, 05:29:03 AM »
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It works off pressure build-up

George


Is there a pressure sensor in the air line?
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2005, 07:07:30 PM »
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With all this talk about the spline #ers you guys wouldn't how much longer the GV vs the kicker shafts are??? (not the splined ends but the mid. part of the shaft) Im looking at Kerry's Toro cv set-up but a would need to know much longer  the shifts inbetween the cv's  would need to be. If I get this info he may be willing to make a set for me.
George  


George,
I've measured the difference of the G/V vs the Escudo (which should be the same as a trackick).
The G/V left is 40mm longer than the Escudo and the G/V right is 18mm longer than the Escudo. Remember as well that the axle splines are different so you'll have to work that out with Kerry too.

I measure the axle shaft with the outer C/V on it but removed the inner C/V because it would not give an accurate measurement with the slip in it. I put the shaft in my lathe between centers and used the tail stock to measure the difference it so it should be fairly accurate  ;)

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I found the G/V right is 12mm (1/2") longer than the Escudo left so if I put a left hand inner (3 bolt type) C/V on it and use them with the anvil (when it arrives :-[) it should give me a small upgrade as they are slightly bigger diameter shaft;)  . Any body think that 12mm longer shaft will have any negative affect ?
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2005, 02:23:47 AM »
I don't quite see how the GV right is 12mm  ( 7/16")
longer than the Escudo left ???

The right shaft is a stubby thing (not a beer ;) )
and the left Track/Kick/Vit/Escudo is much longer,
or do you have a Factory Centered Diff  :D

Also if the spline is the same size, you won't
get much if any upgrade from the axle shaft
swap, the spline is what really counts, and
where most axles break. As far as teh 12mm
being a problem, the farther out the CV the
sharper the angle of the CV shaft, I think it
would depend on the angle you have now
and how much it changes with the new shaft

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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2005, 03:04:08 AM »
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I don't quite see how the GV right is 12mm  ( 7/16")
longer than the Escudo left ???

Wild



Me neither, but thats not what he said  :P :P
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2005, 03:07:24 AM »
Well, I read and didn't understand it.
What did he say/mean ???

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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2005, 04:40:07 AM »
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Well, I read and didn't understand it.
What did he say/mean ???



Yes you read it right,  the G/V right is 12mm or 1/2" (Not 7/16 Wild  ;))longer than the escudo left

It would be a slight up grade for several reasons like where the spline ends it not stepped down a bit like the Escudo so that would eliminate one potential weak spot which is were it generally wants to brake. The spline is slightly larger and much finer than the Escudo

 
G/V right (at the rear) vs Escudo left.
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Re: G/V air actuated diff pix.
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2005, 05:58:00 AM »
Hmm  well the finer splines, if they fit good
into the sidegears could be stronger, but I
wonder if larger splines in a looser situation
might be better ?

BTW
I use my 1/2" an 13MM  wrenches interchagably
but a 12mm is too loose on a 7/16" nut/bolt ???

So size it as you will, I just can't use my 12mm
for a 7/16" bolt head but I can use a 13mm on
a 1/2"    ;)

And for Rhinoman   :P
I did read it right
;)
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