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Offline River_Clan

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Winch Recommendations?
« on: January 24, 2005, 05:33:01 PM »
Greetings Zuksters,

I'm the proud keeper of an 86 biodiesel fueled Samurai, Calmini 3.5" SR kit, and a 1.6 VW Turbodiesel.

Here's a pic of my rig:


After really looking, it looks like we have decided on a Calmini C3 bumper:
http://www.puresuzuki.com/c3.htm


So, what size winch does a 2,500lb zuk need? We're used to using block and tackles for other work around the place... Do I really need a winch with more ummph than the rig weighs? <Other than pulling out hummers...>
http://fuh2.com/

Whatcha think?

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Offline mbmarkyb

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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2005, 05:56:30 PM »
Depends what your going to do I have been competing in Winch challenges so I went for as big as would fit my bumper.

I run a warn 9000I and the motor packed up and I was told that i shouldnt have taken it into water,,

so I upgraded to an X9 Superwinch with a 12.500 motor and that does the trick for me.

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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2005, 07:47:44 PM »
I think the normal rule to apply is your vehicle weight x 1.5, so ruffly for a Sammy I'd say around 4000 Lbs minimum.  

Mine weighs 2910 Lbs trail ready  and I run a Warn M6000 which combined with a snatch block has never let me down even when bogged up to the door handles.

This is the minimum I would ever consider running for my trucklet and having done it over again it would be a 9000 Lbs on the front, ya can never have too bigger winch IMHO.
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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2005, 11:45:58 PM »
its weight times 2 due to the fact u only have half the pulling capacity of the winch after 7 cable raps. if it price look at the Mile Marker e-winchs the hydrolic version of this company has been around for years and is used by the U.S. military on most of thier vehicals. the price is nearly half of a waren or other name brand winches and look around and u can always find one with free shipping and usually $100 rebate.
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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2005, 02:37:40 AM »
I've about decided on the Warn high speed 8k.  

Now I'm just shopping around for the best price...
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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2005, 02:39:30 AM »
I would go with a 8000 or 9000, just because the extra power is nice.

Milemarkers are nice and work great, but they are slow.  If that's not a problem, I can't recomend buying a Warn or Superwinch instead unless you can find a used one.

I run a Superwinch 9000 and like the fact that they bolt forward instead of down like the Warns and Milemarkers.  It just makes more sence if our pulling.
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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2005, 04:58:29 AM »
I am more than satisfied with my Warn M6000.  Besides, if I run a snatch block back to the rig, that's 12,000 pounds of pulling.

Also, I run synthetic winch cable from http://www.rockstomper.com - replacing the 5/16" X 80 foot steel cable on my winch with:

175 feet of 1/4 inch synthetic

It has a rated strength of 9,200 pounds, which would not be exceeded, even if you're doubling back through a snatch block (as the line is then doubled).
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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2005, 08:54:51 AM »
 You might consider "who" your wheeling with.  If your wheeling with a heaver vehicle, you might need to tie off and winch them out.  Just a thought.

I have a Warn 8000 winch.  There's been times I've seen my buddys 12,000 Warn stop at a dead pull (Jeep pulling Jeep), so you never know.

I will also second the winch rope.  Their light weight and are a lot easer to work with than the steel cable.  It seemed like it was only the second time using the steel cable, it was kinking and bird caging on me.  And yes I was being carefull.
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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2005, 09:06:03 AM »
now can a winch be bolted up to a facotory bumper is my question?


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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2005, 09:44:26 AM »
I have a Warn 8000lb winch, It has pulled em out of any situation. However I dont try and pull anyone else bigger than me out anymore, I tried to pull my buddys full off of a berm and ripped off my front bumper (the Calmini one). So ya kgotta be a little careful that your bumper bolts can withstand the pulling force. I upgraded them to grade 8 now.


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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2005, 10:23:17 AM »
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now can a winch be bolted up to a facotory bumper is my question?


Don't hardly think ya want to bolt it to that factory bumper (beer can material)  Mile Markers are slow but mine has never stalled or let me down, even after being under water.
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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2005, 04:22:04 AM »
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I am more than satisfied with my Warn M6000.  Besides, if I run a snatch block back to the rig, that's 12,000 pounds of pulling.

Also, I run synthetic winch cable from http://www.rockstomper.com - replacing the 5/16" X 80 foot steel cable on my winch with:

175 feet of 1/4 inch synthetic

It has a rated strength of 9,200 pounds, which would not be exceeded, even if you're doubling back through a snatch block (as the line is then doubled).



Thats what I also ran for over 2 years. I loved it. As many of you already know I lead trail rides through out the year at off road events. My winch really gets a workout between rescuing myself  ::) and others. It finally started breaking right before I went on the UA. First Id like to say that I was really wedged. When it broke my winch (m6000 Warn) had come to a full stop and it snapped back only a few feet. I tied a Knot in it and went back about my winching. When I went to reorder I bought 3/8 only cause I wanted grey. Rockstomper only sells 1/4 in blue.

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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2005, 05:13:38 AM »
I just posted this on OffRoad.com similar subject.


What about weight difference??
I whent with a Ramsey Rep 8.5E because it weighs almost half what others with the same pull.
-Ramsey Rep 8.5E-----56lbs
-Chicago 8000 (Type)----106lbs (shipping weight,,,, anyway)
-Warn M8000-----------74lbs
-Superwinch EP.9-----108lbs
Husky 8-------113lbs
EPi9-----114lbs
S9000-1916-----82lbs
1917-----95lbs


That was what sold me. Im sure the pricer stuff Is kick a$$ and all but for as much as I use it and considering Im not climbing huge bolders in comp., the light weight fairly low priced (I payed like $350-400 for it shipped new) Rep8.5 is Prefect and has saved my but and a few fullsize rigs quite a few times and its alwayse under water (I did mount the Relay under the hood though), never have a problem.  
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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2005, 07:17:40 AM »
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Greetings Zuksters,

I'm the proud keeper of an 86 biodiesel fueled Samurai, Calmini 3.5" SR kit, and a 1.6 VW Turbodiesel.

After really looking, it looks like we have decided on a Calmini C3 bumper:
So, what size winch does a 2,500lb zuk need? We're used to using block and tackles for other work around the place... Do I really need a winch with more ummph than the rig weighs? <Other than pulling out hummers...>


Whatcha think?

Ri - Oregon Coast

One thing I have taken into consideration while preparing for a winch is to secure it properly with the strongest attachment possible. I watched several Zuk's winch up a nasty waterfall section last year and swore to god half the winches and bumpers were coming off the trucks :o  One moved what seemed to be at least two inches. A friend runs a warn X9000I and was winching the entire weight of his Zuk up the rock and the bumper didn't move. I recommendhttp://www.shrockworks.com/zukfrontbumper.htm stuff. That's what he runs . Really stout and clean work. I have a set of his rock sliders on the wife's TJ and they are super beefy. Jim's a great guy and I always support the little guy when I can.
  And , as for winch size, 8K, minimum. It won't always be just you you're winching out of a stuck. Just my .02
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Re: Winch Recommendations?
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2005, 06:58:30 PM »
Thanks for the tips! That synthetic rope/cable sure seems like a good idea. I have always been nervous being around a taughtly stretched cable......
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