I would like to put some information in one place about Housings and 3rds. I have the following info so far, but do not have all the info (see the ??s).  

Can you guys help me make sure the info I do have is correct and help me fill in the spaces? 

I'll Update this post as info comes available.


XL-7 2001+  4 doors

ENGINE
 Ã‚  2.7-Liter, V6, DOHC, 24-Valve

TRANSMISSION/with Related RING AND PINION RATIO
 Ã‚  Five-Speed Manual, Ring and Pinion 4.30
 Ã‚  Auto, Ring and Pinion 5.12

FRONT DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING INFO:
 Ã‚  All XL-7 have steel front Differential Housings, but the crossmember mount is different and does not directrly bolt to a GV, Vitara, Sidekick, or Tracker.    (crossmember needs mounting holes drilled in it)
 Ã‚   XL-7 Front Carrier uses airline to acitvate 4wd.
 Ã‚   Front Diff 26 Spline
 Ã‚   XL-7 CV shafts are longer than GV, Vitara, Sidekick, or Tracker CV Shafts.
 Ã‚   4 or 2 Pin Spider Gears ??

 REAR DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING INFO
 Ã‚   Rear Diff ?? Spline
 Ã‚   4 or 2 Pin Spider Gears ??




Grand Vitara 1999+ 4 doors,

ENGINE
 Ã‚  2.5-Liter, V6,  24-Valve, 4-Cam, Engine

TRANSMISSION/with Related RING AND PINION RATIO
 Ã‚  Five-Speed Manual, Ring and Pinion 4.30
 Ã‚  Auto, Ring and Pinion 4.88

FRONT DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING INFO:
 Ã‚  99+ manual, 2004+ Auto, Grand Vitara have Steel Front Housings, Bolts directly to a Vitara, Sidekick, and Tracker (no modification required).
 Ã‚  Front Diff 26 Spline
 Ã‚  4 or 2 Pin Spider Gears ??

REAR DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING INFO
 Ã‚   Rear Diff ?? Spline
 Ã‚   4 or 2 Pin Spider Gears ??




Vitara 1999+ 2 and 4-door,

ENGINE
 Ã‚ 1.6 Liter, 16-Valve, SOHC, Engine
 Ã‚ -or-
 Ã‚ 2.0 Liter, 16-valve, DOHC

TRANSMISSION/with Related RING AND PINION RATIO
 Ã‚   Five-Speed Manual, Ring and Pinion 4.88
 Ã‚   Auto, Ring and Pinion 5.12

FRONT DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING INFO:
 Ã‚  ALL housings are Aluminum
 Ã‚  26 Spline
 Ã‚  4 or 2 Pin Spider Gears ??

REAR DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING INFO
 Ã‚   ?? Spline
 Ã‚   4 or 2 Pin Spider Gears ??




Tracker  2 and 4 Door

ENGINE 1.3, 1.8 ??

TRANSMISSION/with Related RING AND PINION RATIO
 Ã‚  Five-Speed Manual, Ring and Pinion 5.12
 Ã‚  Five-Speed Manual, Ring and Pinion 5.38 (1989-91 8v Five-Speed 4 Door Only)
 Ã‚  Five-Speed Manual, Ring and Pinion 5.62 (1989 1.3 Five-Speed Only)
 Ã‚  Auto, Ring and Pinion  4.62
 Ã‚  Auto, Ring and Pinion  4.30 (Ca Model 16v 2 Door Only)

FRONT DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING INFO:
 Ã‚  ALL housings are Aluminum  ??
 Ã‚  96+ 26 Spline ??
 Ã‚  95- 22 Spline ??
 Ã‚  4 or 2 Pin Spider Gears ??

REAR DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING INFO
 Ã‚  ?? Spline
 Ã‚  4 or 2 Pin Spider Gears ??




Samurai  (I have not had time to research all the Samurai info.)

ENGINE 1.3 ??

TRANSMISSION/with Related RING AND PINION RATIO

 Ã‚  Five-Speed Manual, Ring and Pinion 3.73 ALL SWB??
 Ã‚  Five-Speed Manual, Ring and Pinion 3.90 ALL LWB pickups??

FRONT DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING INFO:
 Ã‚  ALL housings are Aluminum  ??
 Ã‚  ??+ 26 Spline
 Ã‚  ??- 22 Spline
 Ã‚  4 or 2 Pin Spider Gears ??

REAR DIFFERENTIAL HOUSING INFO
 Ã‚  ?? Spline ??
 Ã‚  4 or 2 Pin Spider Gears ??

After reading my first post again I think I may have confused you by stating that the Sami carrier is steel (implying that the sidekick isn't).  I'm not completely sure on that part, it was something I thought I picked up when seeing the Sami guys talk about using a sidekick 3rd.  They always say you should swap the R&P gears and not just bolt it up because the Sami stuff is stronger and steel.  Of course they may have just been talking about the 3rd member housing.

Here's a post Zig made a while ago to clear up his article a little bit.
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=8035.msg81849#msg81849

Yeah Maple, that is the sentence that made me think you were confused.. I can see now you aren't.

I don't need the sammy carrier, as I am  not going to lock the front with  a sammy locker... I might get the trail tough locker and carrier.. I may not.

All I need is a steel 3rd housing for now.. Hawk says he has one.. but he won't price it via email, so I have to actually call and talk to someone... lol   will do that today.

Just give him a call.  I have called  a couple of times, he didn't have what I was looking for but was very nice to talk to and picks up in 1-2 rings.

Andy,

Here's the link to the fix I called you about.
http://www.izook.com/tech/tracker/pinion/pinion.htm

Hope this helps.....

Later Tom K.

I heard that the newer "Chevy Trackers" like the funny looking body style ones from 98 or 99+ have steel fronts as well.  Can anyone confirm this?  It may be easier to find a junked one of those compared to a suzuki GV model.

Jeezle Petes!!  Hawks want $255 for just the 3rd housing...

Too rich for my blood at this point in time.. that article said they got one for $165 from a dealer... didn't it??

OH WELL..


ACK, I guess I will take you up on that aluminum one for now..

PLEASE!!  lol...

Crap.. no wreckers around here even HAVE  a GV..


I am going to have to weld this one up and add some beef... or something..

I will swap ACK's in for now.. but it'll break again..


What started out as a love affair, is slowly sending me back to Jeeps.. these little trucks just aren't made for this sort of abuse.....

I don't care for the ride of a SAS on a tracker........  CRAP..

Maybe I will just sell this thing and move to another hobby..

dejected.... broke.. and tired of breaking stuff so easily..

How easily you sway to the darkside...     Here's the link to the reinforced 3rd member.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/240265/4

Might be a good plan if you have a buddy that can weld aluminun.

It seems that the steel diff/3rd were cheaper and easier to find a few years ago before EVERYONE knew about them and wanted to upgrade.

I heard that the newer "Chevy Trackers" like the funny looking body style ones from 98 or 99+ have steel fronts as well.  Can anyone confirm this?  It may be easier to find a junked one of those compared to a suzuki GV model.

I don't think so.  Mine doesn't and Chevy did not offer a MT with the V6 (which is where you find them on the Suzukis).

dawg, just get a sammy rear 3rd and use it up front. Youll have to weld a block on it for the pinion mount. Theres a tech write up on it by Mike. The thing I really like is its got 4 spider gears instead of just 2. I busted my stock spiders at the Melt last year. Ive got a extra housing but no carrier, if you can find a cheap or freebee carrier youll be in business..

Bill

Are you talking about this

http://www.zukiworld.com/month_020103/feature_frontendupgradeswithhagen.htm

It says he's using a Sami carrier with the GV 3rd member housing.

However that would probably work since you can bolt a Sidekick front to a Sami.  Has anyone done that?

'03+ Grand Vitaras, regardless of manual tranny or auto, have steel front housings.  I checked and ours has steel despite it's auto trans.

Now let me say that we have a late year '03 and it has more in common with '04 models than earlier '03 GV's....soooo some '03 GV's might have aluminum front housings...I dunno for sure.




Jeeps break too, remember the D30 front axle and the D35 rear axle...then there's some of their craptastic transmissions...

Are you talking about this

http://www.zukiworld.com/month_020103/feature_frontendupgradeswithhagen.htm

It says he's using a Sami carrier with the GV 3rd member housing.

However that would probably work since you can bolt a Sidekick front to a Sami.  Has anyone done that?

Yeah, maybe a sami carrier would be better in the long run...

LOL...   

I am just venting.. I love this little truck...  but as soon as I get some cash together, I am seriously thinking ANVIL!!   or at LEAST steel for both housings.. then I wonder what breaks.. prolly axles... lol...

Are you talking about this

http://www.zukiworld.com/month_020103/feature_frontendupgradeswithhagen.htm

It says he's using a Sami carrier with the GV 3rd member housing.

However that would probably work since you can bolt a Sidekick front to a Sami.  Has anyone done that?

The sammy rear 3rd will bolt into the aluminum housing. This is the setup  I run with a Lockrite.
Bill