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1.6 oil pump and pan seap.

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Offline rbparker

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1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« on: October 07, 2011, 04:19:37 PM »
Why can't I just seal everything up?
I've had some pretty bad oil leakage chapters since I rebuilt the motor.
After taking the oil pump off and re-gasketing it 9 times it slowly seeps out oil with no dripping. I spent about an hour prepping the surfaces before I put down silicon and still its found a way to seep. (I have successfully used silicon many-a-time.)

After the oil pump I turned my attention to the pan. Its problem was that the bolts kept backing out and after tightening them more and more the gasket spread to its failure. I took off the pan, flattened the surface face (needed it badly) and siliconed a gasket to the pan. I cleaned the bolts and their holes in the block with carb cleaner. I replaced the lock washers and thread locked the bolts at like 8lb of torc. I looked for hydrolic thread locker and came up empty handed. Nobodies heard of the stuff. After about 30 miles I had to re-torc the bolts at around 14lbs because they were coming loose. Thanks locktight. Still 30 miles later the bolts were backing out. So I took the idea of steel and aluminum in consideration and warmed the block up to operating temp. With everything hot I tightened everything up again at around 14lbs. About 300 miles later they are starting to back out again.

Any suggestions? Next move I guess would be to just use silicone instead of the gasket and tighten them even more? Don't really want to do that though, one of the bolts has already stripped. They shouldn't even be at 14lbs...
I do live in the mountains and cruise around 4k a lot.

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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2011, 06:29:52 PM »
Any suggestions? Next move I guess would be to just use silicone instead of the gasket and tighten them even more? Don't really want to do that though, one of the bolts has already stripped. They shouldn't even be at 14lbs...
I do live in the mountains and cruise around 4k a lot.

Suzuki does not use a gasket from the factory - just silicone.
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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2011, 07:01:54 PM »
thanks, didn't know that.

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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 08:35:36 PM »
Yeah, get rid of the gasket.  I have had nothing but problems with trying to use a gasket on the oil pan.  I only use silicone now. 
If you prep everything good, once the silicone sets up, it won't matter if the bolts back out (I haven't had issues with the oil pan bolts backing out, when using just silicone to seal the pan), the silicone will stick good enough that I think you could take every bolt out and the pan would still stay in place and not leak a drop.
If you think you will still have problems with the oil pan bolts backing out, clean the bolts and threaded holes with brake cleaner and blow them dry with compressed air.  Then use loctite on the bolts and torque them to spec.  They should stay in place fine then.
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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2011, 08:49:52 PM »
I'll try and deal with re-torquing them until an oil change. I'll get a tube of ultra black at good old wal-mart and go to town. The thread surfaces should be clean, I did shoot everything with carburetor cleaner.

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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2011, 08:52:02 PM »
I like using brake cleaner instead of carb cleaner.  Brake cleaner doesn't leave any residue behind.
I also like using the grey silicone.  That is what the factory uses to seal up the oil pan.
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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 09:05:57 PM »
But whats Grey? Are all colors the same style with all the different silicon companies? Dodge has a transmission silicon that is black and AWESOME but its unavailable to me now as I moved. Good old Permatex is all I'm granted here.

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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 09:10:42 PM »
Oh hey and by the way, thanks for the reply. You've answered a question or two that I've had in the past.

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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2011, 06:28:24 AM »
But whats Grey? Are all colors the same style with all the different silicon companies? Dodge has a transmission silicon that is black and AWESOME but its unavailable to me now as I moved. Good old Permatex is all I'm granted here.

I am not sure if the various colors have the same properties between companies.  I think they do though.
Yeah, the Permatex gray is what I was referring to.  But I suppose you could use any color that would have the properties to stand up to the oil contact and heat associated with an oil pan application.  I am just partial to the gray.
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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2011, 07:12:10 AM »
I'm not certain if grey is what the factory uses - the only Suzuki I've had from new had red on the pan and I never had issues with that.  It has Permatex ultra grey now, and that's been there, leak free since April of last year when I did a rebuild.
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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2011, 07:15:18 AM »
Yes, the factory uses gray.
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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2011, 11:55:55 AM »
I was surprised to find no gasket on the oil pan on my 89' that I
bought new, so I put a cork/rubber gasket in there, big mistake,
just the grey Permatex, because it is for oil immersion, is the only
thing you need, seal the oil pump with it too, but make sure not to
use so much that it gets into the pump area, just buttered with it as
they say is enough

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Re: 1.6 oil pump and pan seap.
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2011, 11:58:44 AM »
Yeah, when I use silicone on anything, I use my finger and put a thin layer on.  I don't lay a "bead" down, like a lot of places show, and let it ooze/squeeze out when the parts are put together.
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