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samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« on: November 30, 2010, 08:02:34 PM »
its a 1986 samurai, we did the spoa, 2" shackle lift, and 3" blocks. and they dnt make a drop pitman arm big enough. any tips on how to make a z bar or any other ways od doing it?

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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 05:53:52 PM »
I would loose the lift blocks unless you plan on building a traction bar.  Even though they aren't the greatest idea.  Plus it makes it harder to have a good steering setup as the OTT, or Over The Top, steering kit's will no longer work as the axle does not sit close enough to the top of the spring to clear it.

If you want to run with lift blocks and use anything other then a Z-bar you are going to have switch to hydro.

For that amount of lift a set of YJ lift springs might be a better choice.  Or a Coil kit.  Are you going for 37" tires or 38"?

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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2010, 08:24:44 PM »
Why did you decide you needed lift blocks? That is a very scary, extremely dangerous Idea... What size tire are you planning on running? Lose the blocks, get shorter shackles, and think about some small lift springs...
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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2010, 02:29:56 PM »
its a 1986 samurai, we did the spoa, 2" shackle lift, and 3" blocks. and they dnt make a drop pitman arm big enough. any tips on how to make a z bar or any other ways od doing it?

Since you didn't ask for a bunch of why's or don't do's I won't offer them..... I like to think outside the box. Besides if folks actually listened to thesecomments then we would all be driving stock vehicles....

I would suggest that you buy the largest drop pitman arm you can find (3-4"). If you want to build your own Z-link then take a piece of  copper tubing and bend it accordingly to complete your hook ups. This will give you a template to cut - gusset - weld up a new arm from your OEM arm.

I would also consider building or purchasing a pan hard bar in addition to your Z-link. This will help to reduce the dreaded bump steer. 
I know the voices aren't real.... but they have some pretty kewl ideas!!! Tux.....  ;-)
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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2010, 10:38:48 PM »
Lift blocks in the front can very easily shift because of the forces of braking and severe leverage and side loads caused by steering. There is a reason why that setup is outlawed in every state in the U.S...
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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2010, 10:14:41 AM »
"thinking outside the box" is great and is what makes us what we are.

 being a juggernaut jackass is another BLOCKS ARE BUTCH and DANGEROUS! your rig should be built at least safe enough to protect others on the road even if you value your own existence less than 3" of lift! OR even if its off-road only why not build something to be proud of?, instead of making excuses for your broken junk in the middle of the trail.
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can you really wonder why you have a steering problem?
« Last Edit: December 15, 2010, 06:42:08 PM by Jluck »
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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2010, 12:02:34 PM »
Dude, back off a bit.  The guy bought a rig and is asking for advice on what he can do to fix it.  Bashing him isn't going to fix anything.  It will probably just make him think we are just a bunch of asses.  We need him to stick around so he can know for a fact we are a bunch of asses.  :D
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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2010, 08:07:34 AM »
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I would also consider building or purchasing a pan hard bar in addition to your Z-link. This will help to reduce the dreaded bump steer. 

Dreaded bump steer? Bump steer keeps driving exciting ;D
especially when driving next to semi trucks or drop offs  :o
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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2010, 02:19:01 PM »
Drone.... thanks for posting that! One sure fire way to turn folks off is to be overly outspoken! I am a member of several forums and like the ones that folks are helpful, want to share, enjoy some good clean fun, and have a good classified section. Thats 1 of the reasons I joined them to start with.

Heres a thought about our Original poster... Are the Blocks they are referring to actually raised or larger lift perches?

Or, are they actually blocks on top of the perches? (If they are I would suggest they be welded solid to the perches for all of the safety reasons previously mentioned above. Or... remove them and look for alternate ways to acquire the desired lift. (maybe a small body lift.)

There are some companies now making weld on perches larger than 1.5".  

Sometimes terminology differs and can mess with our being able to provide an adequate answers.



« Last Edit: December 15, 2010, 02:23:18 PM by tuxblacray »
I know the voices aren't real.... but they have some pretty kewl ideas!!! Tux.....  ;-)
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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2010, 06:54:54 PM »
sorry if I hurt any feelings  ::) just get a little fired up about front blocks(that is what the post imply's) (and welding them in is not much safer they still have the leverage). I just try to get someone thinking about saftey on there creations.and to value there own life, that kind of crappy work is what gives special interest groups fire power against the off-road aftermarket and ANY vehicle modifications.

I generally speak what I feel and forget how damn sensitive the world is getting. I will try to lighten up a bit.
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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2010, 07:45:51 PM »
I generally speak what I feel and forget how damn sensitive the world is getting. I will try to lighten up a bit.


Jluck:

There is something different about speaking your mind on the Internet as opposed to speaking your mind face-to-face.  Been there, done that, wasted a lot of time and caused aggrevation...

It's not about being Politically Correct - it's about how the Internet works...

Back to the topic at hand:

a ten-inch lift n a Samurai will cause more troble than it's worth - even if it's done on a Trailer Queen!

As others have said, the leverage caused by 3" lift blocks is truly dangerous.

Here are a few articles that might be of help to you in building your truck:

http://www.acksfaq.com/sixinchrule.htm
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/driveline/
http://www.4xshaft.com/driveline101.html

and finally,

http://www.acksfaq.com/bumpsteer_explained.htm

I hope that you find this information useful!
Ack

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Re: samurai, 10"s of lift and now have steering problem.. help?
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2010, 11:05:25 AM »
That reminds me of the lowering blocks I found for a Sammy.  The font axle was about an inch off of the frame and had the bump stops removed.  :)
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