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1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« on: May 30, 2010, 08:45:39 PM »
I did a search and found very little on this subject

I have been looking to see if any one has done this yet and it doesn`t look like it, I emailed Acme and they are unaware if there adaptor will fit a 99+ nor do they know of any one who has put a vw in to a 99+. In 99 you could buy a tracker with ether the 1.6L or the 2.0L do they have the same bell housing? of not will the Bell housing fit off of an older tracker or a 99 1.6 Model? That would allow me to bolt the motor in with an adaptor kit. Also can I use the motor mounts from the Sidekick Kit in a 99 since there was the option if the 1.6L in that year? or are the mounts different on a 99+ model?

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Re: 1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2010, 06:09:46 AM »
I've no personal experience, but I looked up the part numbers and they are the same.  To make it clear, I'm looking at a Suzuki parts catalog, not a Tracker, but they are essentially the same vehicle.

The bellhousing part numbers for the 99~00 SQ416 (1.6) & SQ420 (2.0) are the same and likewise for the 01~03 SQ416 & SQ420 - so it would appear that whilst a change of some sort occured between the 00 & 01 years, the same bell housing is used with both engines so I would like to think that an adapter plate to bolt the 1.6 bellhousing to a 1.9TDI will also work with the 2.0 bell housing.
'98 SQ420 Grand Vitara
'05 JB420 Grand Vitara
'16 APK416 Vitara
'21 A6G415 Jimny

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Re: 1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2010, 09:44:33 AM »
According to drawings in the Suzuki Parts Catalog, the interface between block and bellhousing on the '89-'98 1.6 liter is different to that of the '99 on, i.e. the blocks are different.  So an adapter for a 89-98 will not fit a bellhousing for a '99 on.
'98 GV V6, '96 X-90 with RRO 2.5" lift and 195/80 R15, '93 Cappuccino.

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Re: 1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 06:16:21 AM »
I have a question I've been wondering, what kind of RPM's do the VW diesels run at? Would you have to change the diff gears? do they run high enough rpms to keep up with traffic on the highway?
A wise man once said, "Wherever you go...........There you are.............." 2000 Tracker 4 door with the 2.0 liter "Big Block". 5 speed 4WD  2001 XL-7 EX II

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Re: 1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 08:15:57 PM »
OHH I wasnt looking for 2 opposite awnsers. I found one post on SuzukiForum about some one that put a 1.6 diesel in to his 98 Sport using a Acme kit, apparently it synced up but he was having Automatic tranny issues. I would think that this would have been attempted by this point with the evolution of the brand, seeing how it is so common in the older ones

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Re: 1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2010, 12:15:27 AM »
The bellhousing on the '98 Sport is the same as on the '96-98 Track/Kick.  That's why it works with the Acme adaptor. 

Three possibilities:

1)  Acme (or someone) develop an adapter for the '99-on bellhousing

2) Maybe the pre-'99 bellhousing will fit the '99-on transmission- I can't tell about that

3) Maybe you could swap in a pre-'99 bellhousing and transmission.
'98 GV V6, '96 X-90 with RRO 2.5" lift and 195/80 R15, '93 Cappuccino.

Re: 1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2010, 12:00:28 AM »
Its been done in a 92 anyway...  Here is a link to one for sale here in Oregon.  People out here are freaks when it comes to deisel motors!
http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1806812233.html
These motors redline very low, like 5000 rpm or so, but they have lotsa torque!
« Last Edit: June 24, 2010, 12:05:11 AM by commando »

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Re: 1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2010, 08:46:33 AM »
We know it can be done in a '92 - the question is whether or not it can be done, with the same ACME adapters in a 99 with a different engine & transmission - and I believe it can.
'98 SQ420 Grand Vitara
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'21 A6G415 Jimny

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Re: 1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2010, 03:24:19 PM »
...the question is whether or not it can be done, with the same ACME adapters in a 99 with a different engine & transmission - and I believe it can.

Bearing in mind that the 99 bellhousing to engine face is different to the 89-98, why do you believe that?
'98 GV V6, '96 X-90 with RRO 2.5" lift and 195/80 R15, '93 Cappuccino.

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Re: 1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2010, 08:22:48 AM »
According to drawings in the Suzuki Parts Catalog, the interface between block and bellhousing on the '89-'98 1.6 liter is different to that of the '99 on, i.e. the blocks are different.  So an adapter for a 89-98 will not fit a bellhousing for a '99 on.

...the question is whether or not it can be done, with the same ACME adapters in a 99 with a different engine & transmission - and I believe it can.

Bearing in mind that the 99 bellhousing to engine face is different to the 89-98, why do you believe that?

Based on your previous post you're looking at the drawings in the part catalog - when you posted it, I looked at those drawings and noted the difference - however - I see no reason why Suzuki should have changed the G16B blocks and it is my belief that the bolt patterns are unchanged.

There is a plate that fits between the block & the bellhousing - exactly where the ACME adapter would go - it's the same part number (11311-60A01) for both the 89~98 & 99+ vehicles - if this plate is the same for both generations then the bolt patterns on the block will be similar if not identical.

The shape of the bellhousing front face is not that critical - the newer bellhousing has more "web" in between the bolt holes. but as long as those bolt holes line up, as I believe they will, then you're good to go.

Also - I don't know if you're aware of this - the 2.0 motor has been swapped into the first gen Trackers, where apparently the biggest issue is the need to modify the 1.6 flywheel to fit the 2.0, since the 2.0 flywheel will not fit in the 1.6 bell housing - according to the Aftermarket 4x4 writeup - those engines also share the same bolt pattern.

If you can bolt a 2.0 upto a first gen bellhousing, and you can bolt a 1.9tdi with an adaptor, upto a first gen bell housing - in theory at least - you can also bolt the 1.9 TDI with adaptor upto the 2.0 bellhousing.
« Last Edit: June 25, 2010, 08:39:32 AM by fordem »
'98 SQ420 Grand Vitara
'05 JB420 Grand Vitara
'16 APK416 Vitara
'21 A6G415 Jimny

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Re: 1.9tdi in a 99 Tracker 2.0L
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2010, 11:12:39 PM »
saw my cousin last weekend. He built a 125 hp 1.6L TD, hes got forged rods, and pistons, a larger turbo and a bunch of turbo mods. I am kinda thinking I may go with a built intercooled 1.6 TD due to the price over the 1.9td. He builds turbos in Vancouver so he may hook me up