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Offline rkteckt

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Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2006, 04:38:37 PM »
When you put a sammie tranfer case in nutral it locks the front and rear drive line together, so when you tow it down the road with a lifted samurai the front drive line is trying to come off of the t case which in turn telegraphs all of the vibrations right on through the t case and will eventually loosen all the bolts in your drive line and your drive shafts will fall off on the road doing sixty that will probably take out your brake lines and a few other things in the immediat area.

Well, We dont want that to happen now do we.......Guess its time to go to remove drive shaft school.

I was laying in the street a little while ago looking at it.... should i go ahead and take the driveshaft out compeltely?  it doesnt seem safe to disconnect the rear and tie it to something.....
1991 samurai , Mall Crawler, neon green, YJ lift, Wifes vanity plates.
1988.5 tintop too many mods to list. The work samurai.
2005 Avalanche Z71
2003 Matrix XRS
1993 sidekick 4dr 2wd donor thats too nice to destroy yet. 1992 Toyo Pup POS

Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2006, 08:44:37 PM »
I have to laugh every time I see this.....Two pages just to tow a Sammi.
With thousands of towing miles behind me (literaly!) I can tell you there is no need to pull the shaft, make sure the front hubs are unlocked, transfer case in 2WD, tranny in neutral, SW.unlocked.
If you are VERY worried, stop after 5 miles and check the temp of things.....every thing should be cool to warm.
Any standard tow bar will work, just have mounts made to fit your bumber and get a step up hich for your tow vehicle. A tow bar doesn't have to be 0deg. but wouldn't go much more than 20deg.
And, if you are super paranoid go to u-haul and rent a dolly...cheap, almost fool proof, and the guys there will check for proper hitch.
 Sorry for the long post but I hope it helps.

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Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2006, 09:10:18 PM »
I assume the end closest to the differential?

Yea.
And what do you mean by u-joints in phase?

If your u-joints are out of phase, your Zuk will shake like a fat girl at a barn dance.  Just line up the dots.
http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content/topic,16725.15.html
http://www.ackerdackerly.com/driveshaft.wmv

When i re-connect it do the bolts have to be torqued on? or can i just tighten them up pretty tight?

Pretty tight always works for me...
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Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2006, 09:22:09 PM »
I have to laugh every time I see this.....transfer case in 2WD, tranny in neutral
I have to laugh too... This is WRONG.  The FSM specifies Transfer Case in NEUTRAL, Tranny in SECOND gear.  There are good reasons for this.
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Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2006, 09:44:35 PM »
I don't give advice from what I've read or heard from someone else I ONLY post when I know what I am saying works. Like I have said, I tow my Zuk everywhere and have had NO problems with my method..

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Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2006, 11:40:07 PM »
All right,

I found a commercially available hitch that gave me enough lift to keep my tow bar flat......

I have magnetic brake lights for the rear of the Toad Trogdor.....

I got a lesson on removing the rear drive shaft......

and finally im replacing my bias ply mudders with some more road worthy mud/street tires.....

I took it around the block a couple times today and nothing exploded.... so

Can anyone think of any other handy tips for towing a lifted samurai?



And my final question regards the idling the engine at every 200 miles.....If i am disconnecting the rear drive shaft do i even need to do this? I mean it isnt as if the TC or transmission will even be in motion to need lubricating.....or am i missing something?
1991 samurai , Mall Crawler, neon green, YJ lift, Wifes vanity plates.
1988.5 tintop too many mods to list. The work samurai.
2005 Avalanche Z71
2003 Matrix XRS
1993 sidekick 4dr 2wd donor thats too nice to destroy yet. 1992 Toyo Pup POS

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Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2006, 10:58:38 AM »
I found a commercially available hitch that gave me enough lift to keep my tow bar flat......

I have magnetic brake lights for the rear of the Toad Trogdor.....
I used little bungees to help keep my lights on the rear of my sami when I used to flat-tow it.  I lost a light one time on a trip home and it was just flappin in the wind...lol  Also, check everything and make sure your trun signals are correct.  It's easy to put those magnetic lights on wrong.

I got a lesson on removing the rear drive shaft......
If it were me, I'd just drop the rear shaft and be done with it.  You'll have a lot less to worry about, and won't have to stop every 200 miles to start your rig and let it run so everything is oiled.  Only thing you'll have turning will be the diffs.  Plus if you have supplies in the rig, and they should happen to hit any of the shift levers while driving, you won't have to worry about anything.

and finally im replacing my bias ply mudders with some more road worthy mud/street tires.....

I took it around the block a couple times today and nothing exploded.... so

Can anyone think of any other handy tips for towing a lifted samurai?
I always left the steering unlocked, but put a bunge on the steering wheel with just enough tension that the wheel would center it's self back up after I turned a corner.  I have swampers on my sami and my front wheels had a bad habbit of NOT tracking correctly



And my final question regards the idling the engine at every 200 miles.....If i am disconnecting the rear drive shaft do i even need to do this? I mean it isnt as if the TC or transmission will even be in motion to need lubricating.....or am i missing something?
If you drop the rear D-shaft, you won't have to do this.

I towed for 4 years like this and only had problems once, and it was minor stuff.
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Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2006, 01:53:21 PM »




heres the hitch idea

If I am viewing this correctly, you are extending the stinger 2' behind the reciever.  Do you still have a typical tow bar behind that or is your pivot point within 12" of the front of the Samurai?

You will have better towing charactereistics if you keep the pivot point as close to the center  of the rear axle (towing vehicle) as possible.  The farther back you go, the more exagerated the "wag" of the pivot point moving the oposite direction of the turn prior to moving in the same direction of the turn.

In this case, if you turn left, the extended stinger will swing to the right, causing the Samurai to move right, then left.  The more exagerated, the greater the forces that try to 1) break things, and 2) push the rear of your tow rig to the side.

This is why commercial trucks have the 5th wheels over the rear axles.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2006, 03:38:40 PM by jonald »
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Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2006, 12:38:12 PM »




heres the hitch idea
If I am viewing this correctly, you are extending the stinger 2' behind the reciever.  Do you still have a typical tow bar behind that or is your pivot point within 12" of the front of the Samurai?

You will have better towing charactereistics if you keep the pivot point as close to the center  of the rear axle (towing vehicle) as possible.  The farther back you go, the more exagerated the "wag" of the pivot point moving the oposite direction of the turn prior to moving in the same direction of the turn.

In this case, if you turn left, the extended stinger will swing to the right, causing the Samurai to move right, then left.  The more exagerated, the greater the forces that try to 1) break things, and 2) push the rear of your tow rig to the side.

This is why commercial trucks have the 5th wheels over the rear axles.
Actually i found an 8 inch lift hitch that brought the ball up high enough that my tow bar is almost flat, so i dont have to bother with the custom hitch. 

I found a commercially available hitch that gave me enough lift to keep my tow bar flat......

I have magnetic brake lights for the rear of the Toad Trogdor.....
I used little bungees to help keep my lights on the rear of my sami when I used to flat-tow it.  I lost a light one time on a trip home and it was just flappin in the wind...lol  Also, check everything and make sure your trun signals are correct.  It's easy to put those magnetic lights on wrong.

I got a lesson on removing the rear drive shaft......
If it were me, I'd just drop the rear shaft and be done with it.  You'll have a lot less to worry about, and won't have to stop every 200 miles to start your rig and let it run so everything is oiled.  Only thing you'll have turning will be the diffs.  Plus if you have supplies in the rig, and they should happen to hit any of the shift levers while driving, you won't have to worry about anything.

and finally im replacing my bias ply mudders with some more road worthy mud/street tires.....

I took it around the block a couple times today and nothing exploded.... so

Can anyone think of any other handy tips for towing a lifted samurai?
I always left the steering unlocked, but put a bunge on the steering wheel with just enough tension that the wheel would center it's self back up after I turned a corner.  I have swampers on my sami and my front wheels had a bad habbit of NOT tracking correctly



And my final question regards the idling the engine at every 200 miles.....If i am disconnecting the rear drive shaft do i even need to do this? I mean it isnt as if the TC or transmission will even be in motion to need lubricating.....or am i missing something?
If you drop the rear D-shaft, you won't have to do this.

I towed for 4 years like this and only had problems once, and it was minor stuff.

Thanks for the answers, it definently sounds like pulling the driveshaft out is the way to go.

On a side note during my second test tow i noticed that my RRO towbar that is part of my RRO bumper is about 1/4" off center......Just lovely..... :-)
« Last Edit: March 21, 2006, 12:40:12 PM by rkteckt »
1991 samurai , Mall Crawler, neon green, YJ lift, Wifes vanity plates.
1988.5 tintop too many mods to list. The work samurai.
2005 Avalanche Z71
2003 Matrix XRS
1993 sidekick 4dr 2wd donor thats too nice to destroy yet. 1992 Toyo Pup POS

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Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2006, 04:06:34 AM »
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Thanks for the answers, it definently sounds like pulling the driveshaft out is the way to go.
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tack weld the driveshaft bolts to the flange, that speeds up the removal/installation, you just need one hand and one wrench

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Re: Flat towing tips
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2006, 11:32:19 AM »
I crawled under trogdor today to take a look at the driveshaft and see if i could get it out.  After some wd-40 and elbow grease i was only able to loose one bolt from the TC end. The others started to round off a little with my adjustable wrench.

I guess i need to go buy some 14mm wrenches that will fit up close to the flange and not slip.....

So heres a question for you, when i get the bottom accessible bolts out, how can i rotate the shaft to get the other bolts down under where they are easy to get to...... is there a trick to it other than rolling the sami forward a foot?  ( i was trying to do this without  jack stands and all that because i have to replace and remove it while on a campsite at the other end fo the tow....and i dont want to pack along a bunch of stuff just to make the switch.


Also, I was reading a thread ages ago about leaving the rear out and driving in 4whigh with the front hubs locked.....  Seems like it should work, but is there a down side?

Thanks.
1991 samurai , Mall Crawler, neon green, YJ lift, Wifes vanity plates.
1988.5 tintop too many mods to list. The work samurai.
2005 Avalanche Z71
2003 Matrix XRS
1993 sidekick 4dr 2wd donor thats too nice to destroy yet. 1992 Toyo Pup POS