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87 Samurai stutters after 15 mins of driving
« on: November 08, 2020, 06:52:03 PM »
Hey guys, got an issue. So, I've got an 87 samurai with a tracker engine. It's a project car for me and I'm still very much learning about these things.

Basically, I can start up and drive for about 20 minutes then I start to have problems. The engine starts to stutter when I press the gas. If I barely press the gas it wants to stall. If I give it more it goes but chugs and feels unhealthy. Once this starts happening, I can usually accelerate fine (but I have to accelerate quickly or it wants to stall) but when I try to maintain any speed it chugs and jerks pretty bad going down the road. Cant figure it out. I let it idle for a hour today hoping to trigger the condition but it ran fine until I got it on the road for 20 mins. Then it started acting up again. I pulled over and let it sit for 30 mins. Then it ran good again long enough to get home. This is how it always goes.

I've been trying to diagnose this for a while. It seemed like a fuel pump issue so I changed that. Put a new fuel filter on too. Didnt fix it. (I'll note that the 87 samurai has a a fuel pump mounted to the carb. The tracker engine doesn't have a connection for it so I'm using an inline pump. There's 3 lines for the gas/vent from the tank to the engine but only one is hooked up. The others are just plugged. It was like this when I got it and i didnt have this problem.) I put brand new spark plugs/wires. I sprayed some starting fluid around with it running while still cold trying to find a vacuum leak. The idle didn't change at all so I'm assuming vacuum is good. I've tried adjusting the timing. Doesnt seem to make any difference. I changed the head gasket a while back well before the problems started.

Any ideas what the problem is? I'm stumped.

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Re: 87 Samurai stutters after 15 mins of driving
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2020, 07:11:44 PM »
Note: I meant sidekick engine not tracker

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Re: 87 Samurai stutters after 15 mins of driving
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2020, 02:53:40 AM »
For the most part a Sidekick and a Tracker can be considered as the same vehicle with a different badge, but, we still don't know what engine you have because both vehicles used several different engines over the years, from a 1.6 four cylinder up to a V6, so the first order of the day is to figure that out and tell us.  The most common swap is the 1.6 four cylinder, and there were two of those, and 8v and a 16v - if you have the 16v it'll say so on the timing belt cover. 16v engines have an alloy cam cover with the plugs in holes through the cam cover, 8v engines generally have a black pressed steel cam cover and the plugs are on the side of the head near the exhaust manifold.

Second thing you need to do is to figure out what was done with the fuel system during the swap - all the Sidekicks & Trackers came with fuel injection, 8v had single point or throttle body injection, 16v had multi-point injection - reading between the lines I suspect you may have a carburettor - if that is correct, then we literally have no clue what you're dealing with.

I get the impression that you acquired the vehicle after the swap was done, is this correct?

Fuel or fuel pressure is a distinct possibility, especially if the tank vent lines have been plugged - have you tried opening the gas cap when it starts acting up?
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Re: 87 Samurai stutters after 15 mins of driving
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2020, 06:36:22 AM »
It's got a 1.6 four cylinder 8v sidekick engine. And yes, the swap was done before I bought it.

It does have a carburetor that seems to be stock for the 87 samurai. There are three gas lines (1 gas, 2 vents?) running from the gas tank. The gas line goes through an aftermarket fuel pump mounted under the body and feeds directly into the carb. The other two gas/vent lines are plugged I'm assuming because  if compatibility issues between the samurai carb and sidekick engine.

I've tried running it with the gas cap open but it didn't seem to do anything.

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Re: 87 Samurai stutters after 15 mins of driving
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2020, 09:46:39 AM »
The original Samurai carb is/was an electronic feedback Hitachi with a very primitive ECU and a one wire O2 sensor in the exhaust manifold, are those still fitted?
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Re: 87 Samurai stutters after 15 mins of driving
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2020, 10:48:29 AM »
There is no O2 sensor attached to the exhaust manifold.. Also, not sure if there is an ECU. Not sure where I would find that. 

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Re: 87 Samurai stutters after 15 mins of driving
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2020, 12:09:59 PM »
Take the air filter off and take a picture of the carburetor.
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Re: 87 Samurai stutters after 15 mins of driving
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2020, 02:21:41 PM »
Here's some pics. I took these a while back so you might notice a few loose hoses.