I don't think ANYONE was saying you have to go SAS for a rocking trackick, But someone (Mike..) is a little sensitive about it.

I am a little sensitive about it and I apoligize. Im a really calm person but Im just getting a little tired of people just asuming that if trackicks were SAS they would be better. I cant tell you how many times someone has asked me "Have you thought about putting a straight axle under the front?" Everybody says it! WHY! Could I get up more stuff or break less? I highly doubt it.

Now going with a SAS cause its what you know and love... Now thats a great reason. Many of you have done SAS and I have nothing against it. Actually, I enjoy reading and hearing about it. Theres more than one way to build a rig. Everbody drives different and has different preferences, which means there is no one single perfect setup for everything.

Mike

Mike I would Love to drive your IFS trackick as you have built it very nice,  and I would like to compare it to what I have done. (Kind of apples and ornges but at one time they where the same.  
You doing the melt next year?  I would like to go to moab next year too if I get the finances right. then we can swap trucks for awhile.

that is a great ieda.  i think you two should do it.  and mabey put Heathers rig in as a leaf sprung SAS kicker.

stu

Hey bud. Just a thought i had and all of the broken front ends that i have heard about all have had the callmini 3" lift in them. the angle is to sharp on the pinion angle.
I have the front diff welded up for a year now and not broken anything up front to date. And keep the tires that yous run to 10.5 and no larger. Bigger isn't alway better.

I am a little sensitive about it and I apoligize. Im a really calm person but Im just getting a little tired of people just asuming that if trackicks were SAS they would be better. I cant tell you how many times someone has asked me "Have you thought about putting a straight axle under the front?" Everybody says it! WHY! Could I get up more stuff or break less? I highly doubt it.

Mike

I know exactly what you mean The other day when I got my kick bacl on the road, tried it out (pics in the other thread and everything is working great. That afternoon I ran into a Heep on 42's driving club member. The first thing out of his mouth was "Good to see you have it back on the road. When are you going to give up on that IFS shit and do a solid axle?" I explained to him that it had been in the shop fixing the weak 1/2 shaft problem and I dont have a front end weak link and more. Now my weak link is my rear SOLID axle.

FYI. later in the conservation he mentioned that his dana 70 was broken so he could not ride next weekend

L8r,
Zig

Hey bud. Just a thought i had and all of the broken front ends that i have heard about all have had the callmini 3" lift in them. the angle is to sharp on the pinion angle.
I have the front diff welded up for a year now and not broken anything up front to date. And keep the tires that yous run to 10.5 and no larger. Bigger isn't alway better.

I put a strap over the nose of the 3rd member and that's all.  I even have a problem with one of the bolts keeps coming out of the bracket on the right hand side of the axil.

I've yet to break the alumium front housing in 2-4 years of wheeling it (first 2 years were only 235R7 5's) and I run 32 - 11.5 MTRs.  I'm not one to hold back and the front end has held up.  I beleive that strap makes a big difference.

I'm not one for pressing fate though.  I have an Anvil on order and just got a steal third member.

Mike I would Love to drive your IFS trackick as you have built it very nice,  and I would like to compare it to what I have done. (Kind of apples and ornges but at one time they where the same.  
You doing the melt next year?  I would like to go to moab next year too if I get the finances right. then we can swap trucks for awhile.

Im pretty sure Im gonna pass on Zukimelt this year.   Its just too close to the dates for the Ultimate Adventure. I think my work will freak out.  

If you come to Moab next year we should definately hook up. I swapped with Eric (SAS kick also) at Zukimelt last year. I liked his a lot but its just not for me. I think the feeling was mutual. Its always interesting to drive other peoples stuff. Its either makes you appreciate what you built or makes you think... Hmmm I wonder if I can apply this into my setup?  

Mike

To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure.  
When we went to Moab we brought 5 extra axles with the idea that the extra gears would snap axles like a toothpick.  We've got an overall crawl ratio of 179:1 with our 33s and much to our suprise we gently Moab'ed without breakage just fine.  

We've since then hit it MUCH harder here, (highspeed, highpower, bouncing, etc) closer to home and haven't snapped anything yet.

I've got a buddy who's got 35s on his stock Kick rear shafts (locked) and has been wheeling hard for a year without problems.   (He drives a YJ sprung Samura with a 1.6l, and nearly the same setup as us.)

I think the important thing to keep in mind is that these setups are on leaf springs, which allow the axle/housing to 'wrap'.  Essentially it provides some give instead of the hard and inflexiable setup a link and coil suspension would provide to the axles.

~Nate

Anybody else with experience with both types of setup want to step in here?

They aren't YJ springs, dammit!
They are SJ springs, full size Jeep Grand Wagoneers, they are much better than the YJs!

They aren't YJ springs, dammit!
They are SJ springs, full size Jeep Grand Wagoneers, they are much better than the YJs!

Yah, but the body isn't on frame anymore and it's all torn apart, so it prolly doesn't matter much right now.
*poke*

Yah, but the body isn't on frame anymore and it's all torn apart, so it prolly doesn't matter much right now.
*poke*

What? Did you tear down the 4-door after you got back from Moab?

-Eric

Nope, the 4door Kick is still fully assembled and is a daily driver.



Kimball (IDAHOLWB) however, was giving me a hardtime because I misquoted what type of springs (YJs vs SJs) he has on his sammy LWB.





I had to point out that it doesn't really matter because HIS truck is all torn apart.  (me giving him a hard time back)  



~Nate