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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: CBTracker on March 31, 2005, 09:23:23 AM
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In light of the release of the Suzuki concept x-2 (think that's the name. he he)and multiple conversations between myself and my father I've decided to post. What would you want in a new SUV? consider manufacturing and production costs, feasability, likes vs needs. Personally this is my idea:
- 2 door swb/lwb
- box ladder frame with unibody to increase stability, rigidity etc.
- Hardtop or Soft top with full Rollcage
- 115-140hp, FI 4-cylinder
- 5-speed Manual Transmission
- 4WD , 2hi, 4hi, 4lo, Automatic (similar to the jimmy)
- 9-10 inches of ground clearance
- IFS/Solid Rear Axle
- 225/75R15's
- Factory Skidplates
- Bucket Front Seats/ Removable Rear Jumps
- Duralined interior, rubber floor liner
- Completely sealed electronic system
- Hosable Interior for quick cleaning( dash, seats.. everything)
- Driver/Pass Airbags
- Various independant 12volt powersources for equipment
- Removable Doors
- Folding Windshield
- All breather hoses and snorkel routed to top of rollbar.
- All options are dealer installed for streamlining of manufacturing.
- $8-10,000 USD
I've herd the old sj's could use the heater motor to blow water out of the engine after a watercrossing gone bad, this would be a neat feature. Also a dash mounted tilt/ compass package.Also small cheap (weaklinks) in drive train componants such as shearpins would be nice.
Well this is my idea, post your own, or if you see something that you don't like post what and why. :D
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Forget manual stick old-fashioned bullshit.....
FERRARI F-1 PADDLE SHIFTER
(http://next.web-cars.com/enzo_img/left_paddle_a_s.jpg)
No more stalling in first gear....ever. Just click, point, gas, and go. ;D
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- 115-140hp, FI 4-cylinder
- 5-speed Manual Transmission
- 4WD , 2hi, 4hi, 4lo,  Automatic (similar to the jimmy)
- 225/75R15's
multi port EFI 4 cly(no TB!)
optional auto
4wd: 4hi, 4low, 2high, 2low?
if they ran some BFG AT's that size that would be killer in snow
what about low range? needs to be somthing everyone could use like 2.2:1???
stu
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DID SOMEBODY SAY DIESEL??????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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DID SOMEBODY SAY DIESEL??????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Just you
;DMike :P
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Must've been an echo :P
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why r we talking 4 banger with ifs.
straight axle
at least a 200 hp V-6
coil sprung 4-link
room for 5 people
roof rack/exo-cage
NO unibody
boxed and cross boxed frame
convertable
maybe even a diesel if we r lucky touque is beautiful.
fatory winch
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That F-650 is bad a$$
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I agree... solid axle and aluminum V6. Unfortunately, $8-10k new isn't going to inspire auto makers to create a decent vehicle... wasn't the Sidekick around $15k when it came out in the late eighties?
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That f650 may look neat but they are PIGS with the cat motor. Not to mention very exspensive and impossible to park.
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That f650 may look neat but they are PIGS with the cat motor. Not to mention very exspensive and impossible to park.
ANd where could you off road it?
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why r we talking 4 banger with ifs.
straight axle
at least a 200 hp V-6
coil sprung 4-link
room for 5 people
roof rack/exo-cage
NO unibody
boxed and cross boxed frame
convertable
maybe even a diesel if we r lucky touque is beautiful.
fatory winch
I think you could make your 'dream truck' out of a Land Cruiser FZJ80.  Has about everything you asked for (except a 215HP I-6 instead of V6) plus factory lockers.  Add your winch and exo-cage.  Outside the USA they even came with a turbo-diesel.
Very nice for wheeling for more than two people and all their gear.  But after wheeling a sammi for while, it feels really big, heavy, and way to much sheet metal.
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I think you could make your 'dream truck' out of a Land Cruiser FZJ80. Has about everything you asked for (except a 215HP I-6 instead of V6) plus factory lockers. Add your winch and exo-cage. Outside the USA they even came with a turbo-diesel.
Very nice for wheeling for more than two people and all their gear. But after wheeling a sammi for while, it feels really big, heavy, and way to much sheet metal.
Yeah...
So put everything in a 4 door kick!
;D
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Yeah...
So put everything in a 4 door kick! ÂÂ
;D
If you can fit 5 people and their gear, then the modified 4-door kick solution looks good to me. Go no bigger than you absolutely have to.
Otherwise, the 3rd row seats and larger interior space may be required. The FZJ80 also does a nice job on towing your sammi/kick around to the really fun trails.
-Paul
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DID SOMEBODY SAY   DIESEL??????? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I did.
And I love it.
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I would be happy if they just went back and did a modern re-engineering of the Samurai.
More power, better seats, longer wheel base maybe if that would help the rollover. Make the interior at least as tough as the rest. And as long as im throwing out wishes, give it shift on the fly.
I hate the look of the new trackers, they all look sad, like they cant believe they grew up and their knees went bad.
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aw crap, i just realized my tracker comment might start a flamewar,
I should say i prefer the straight ege styling of the Samurai over the rounded edge styling that is prevalent now a days
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Dream Zuk=Modern facelift of the Samurai.  Similar styling with NO sheet metal.  A full nylon/poly body(like the stuff that plastic playgrounds are made of).  Sitting on a hydroformed frame for weight and strength.  A softtop design like the trackers.  Drivetrain would be a smaller, lighter, 6cyl GM Duramax Turbo Diesel mated to a smaller, lighter Allison 6spd manual trans :o.  Dana Super 70 axles from a GM 5500, with Eaton G80 lockers front and rear :o.  35x14.5's from the factory on beadlock rims wide enough to balloon them out :o. Teraflex shackles, stock SPOA, with aggressively arched springs.  Inside, Vinyl seats from a Chevy Work Truck with 5-point harnesses, GPS/DVD Nav system, XM Radio and a built in CB(all waterproof marine equipment, of course).  And a bilge pump for the footwells/rear tub. A full gauge cluster with climometer.  And don't forget the snorkel, molded right in the the window pillar and seamlessly connecting to the intake system.  Accessories available would be a 12000lb winch and a light bar using bulbs that light the ski slopes at night.  Oh, and don't forget the towing package, so you can tow around your "classic" 1st gen Sammi ;D
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And as long as im throwing out wishes, give it shift on the fly.
As long as your hubs are locked, high range is always shift on the fly.
If your hubs are locked, your drivetrain is all moving at equivalent speed. Most tcases will shift from 2 high to 4 high better while in motion than at a stop.
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Get a Grand Vitra v6 has awsome power
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As long as your hubs are locked, high range is always shift on the fly.
If your hubs are locked, your drivetrain is all moving at equivalent speed.  Most tcases will shift from 2 high to 4 high better while in motion than at a stop.
i thought it wasnt good for the front to stay hub locked all the time?
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i thought it wasnt good for the front to stay hub locked all the time?
I't's not "good" for it because all of the parts turn and wear unnecesarily. But you can lock them in when you suspect you might need 4x4. I lock mine before I take off on winter mornings and unlock when I get to work. If I need 4x4, it is shift on the fly. When I go wheeling, I lock the hubs at the trail and shift in and out as I desire.
Shift on the fly vehicles either have permanently locked hubs or some sort of axle disconnect, usually vacuum operated. The vacuum operated systems are usually slow and noisy and the permanently locked versions are just like running with your hubs locked.
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2.6L alum 4 with turbo.
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I like the alum 2.6 idea. what about warping in water crossings though, or the turbo maintenance. less parts the better. what about a 240hp 2.0 from the honda S2000? lol.
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aw crap, i just realized my tracker comment might start a flamewar,
Why? You are entitled to your opinion...as long as you agree with me!
;D
Trackers rule! But seriosly I like samis too.
Mike
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im only really referring to the current design of the tracker, i really like the old ones from like 1994. The current design has the rounded hood corner down to the headlight panel.......just looks so sad to me, like the tracker is depressed.
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I'd love to see some more powerfull, and especially torquey engines available. Kept small of course, to keep the weight down.
My wife drives a diesel VW Golf, I'd love to have an engine with those specs in a Sidekick - a 1.9 liter engine with 100hp and 177 lbs-ft of torque. Not to mention the new diesel engine in the Passat - 2.0 liter - 134hp and 247 lbs-ft of torque.
I think forced induction is the way to go, for a gasoline engine, a supercharger would be great for low end torque. I'm more interested in low end torque than maximum horse power. It has been said that "people buy horsepower and drive torque".
- Craig
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My only complaints with the sammy are the lack of power and the cheesy interior....... if there were just some high quality interior refits.....real mirrors......etc.......i could be completely happy
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