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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: wildgoody on July 09, 2005, 05:09:26 PM

Title: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: wildgoody on July 09, 2005, 05:09:26 PM
Well I tore the head off today and
have some pics of the carnage

The hole starts
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/piston-top.jpg)
Worms thru to the ring land
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/piston-side.jpg)
worked around to the front
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/piston-front.jpg)
The piston was hitting the head
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/head.jpg)
#1 piston is in a lower position compaired to the others
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/block2.jpg)
I might not have a broken crank after all
just a bad rod, will know on Monday when I pull
the bottom end apart

Ok The bottom end is apart

(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/block.jpg)

Looks different somehow
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/bigend.jpg)

The block is OK
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/blockscars.jpg)

A paper weight
(http://wildcatent.freeyellow.com/twisted.jpg)

Wild

Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics
Post by: zaggy on July 10, 2005, 07:44:32 AM
Don't you hate it when that happens.....

Zag
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics
Post by: locjaw on July 10, 2005, 07:51:31 AM
that is the type af carnage that can happen to engines that are designed to run turbochargers not to mension ones that are not ;D, but those are the chances some people are willing to take  ;)
way to go wild  :o someone has to test these engines and see what they will do ;D
will be waiting for the reports

jason
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics
Post by: wildgoody on July 10, 2005, 08:05:01 AM
Well if you consider the piston have 275,000
miles on them, and they are the stock cast
ones, I think they did quite well. about 25K
miles have been turbocharged

Next ones will be forged turbo pistons,
and should hold up even better, more
power too

Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: wildgoody on July 11, 2005, 11:23:40 PM
bump
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: prairie_dog on July 11, 2005, 11:30:07 PM
 Wild,
   Love the pics of the bottom end, remember the chat we had about turbo's and boost pressure? just yankin yer chain ;D, 275 and turbo is unheard of around here, usually find turbo anything with 275 on it at the pic & pull.
     You got my PM on the glass parts?

Steve
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: cj on July 12, 2005, 12:00:22 AM
Oh well if you're gonna do it, do it good  ;)
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: zaggy on July 12, 2005, 07:08:46 AM
We should have a contest for the best carnage pics
     Man I gotta find the ones from the 1.3L/8v that blew at 95oorpm.

     Did the crank make it? Or she be toast?

Hate to see the damage.

Zag
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: locjaw on July 12, 2005, 07:14:50 AM
wow  :o twisted that rod like a pretzel ;D

jason
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: zookiemike on July 12, 2005, 10:20:40 AM
I feel ya. I snap off three of those suckers :P
(http://photos.zuwharrie.com/users/zookiemike/104_0495.JPG)
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: zaggy on July 12, 2005, 10:46:21 AM
We have a new contender in the worst carnage picture game

Zag
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: wildgoody on July 12, 2005, 06:27:15 PM
Well I know ZukieMike lost the whole motor, that's some
serious carnage, I just have the most unique rod shape  ;)

As far as the crank goes, I don't think there is enough
left to turn it out, but I could get it welded and returned.

I'm thinking now about getting this crank stroked about
4-5mm more, cost about $200 I think $20 per journal to
grind and $25 to weld/per

Then I just need a set of over bore pistons, go as big as
I can or take it out 2 mm over stock with some oversize
pistons and I'll get 1751-1770cc  ....hmmm  that ought to
add a little to the power, but I'mm not going to turbo this
one, Turbo is going into a 16V this time

Wild
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: adamd on July 12, 2005, 06:38:09 PM
"Turbo is going into a 16V this time"

man you really got to do that!
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: zaggy on July 12, 2005, 09:42:52 PM
yo Wild

    Think big, Think mean, think ulitmate power...the WWF of Zukiworld........
compound turbo'd ( 2 X 1.0L Blowers in tandem), intercooled, Nitrous injected, Alcohol fuelled, 1770cc/16v, four wheel tire smokin, rock chchew'n, fear inspiring Master Intimidator of the 4 cylinder world. Striking fear and loathing among those that aspire to compete...oooopppps did I get a little carried away?

Zag
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: wildgoody on July 12, 2005, 10:43:44 PM
 ;D  Well if I could find Ethanol or Methanol
at a regular fuelling station, I would go the
Alcohol route, I might be tempted to turbo
this engine, but it would require a special set
of Con Rods, which I don't think I want to spend
the $$ on, with the longer stroke I need to mill the
tops of the pistons, and that means higher compression
so this isn't going to be a Turbo motor, it will however
get a little testing and probably be for sale after it
all checks out OK

Wild
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: zaggy on July 12, 2005, 10:47:40 PM
Whats the actual stroke increase you're going for> the reason i ask is that as I recall the G13B connecting rods are shorter, same journal and pin size if I remember right, combo might work for your strok increase without custom pistons

Zag
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: zaggy on July 12, 2005, 10:50:14 PM
Still wanna test some parts with thus engine combo change?
Zag
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: wildgoody on July 12, 2005, 10:55:28 PM
Won't fit 1.3 rods, the 1.3 rods are about 1" shorter,
the wrist pin is smaller, as well as the journal is also
smaller

After all the looking, and if you were to try and regrind
the crank, then the pistons would hit the counter weights
on the crank, if the rods were only slightly shorter, say 5-10mm
this might work.

The actual stroke increase is 4-5 mm which is only a 2-2.5 mm
increase in the actual location of the rod journal, if I were to
go 3mm the displacement would jump to 1788cc with a 2mm
increase in piston dia

Wild
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: wildgoody on July 12, 2005, 10:56:54 PM
The stroker motor is a back burner project,
I'm building the 1.6 for the 16V head first
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: zaggy on July 12, 2005, 10:58:06 PM
Cool...that;l get ya motor'n

Zag
Title: Re: Engine Carnage Pics, Now With Bottom End Damage
Post by: wildgoody on July 12, 2005, 11:01:57 PM
Zaggy, go to chat