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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: rkteckt on April 21, 2005, 12:48:26 PM
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Hey there,
Im looking at an imported low mileage 1.6 16v engine from japan by way of JDM products in Philly.
(http://jdmexchange.com/ebayengine/g16a1.gif)
This is a picture of the engine. Im wondering how many other parts i would need to scrounge up to install this engine in a Samurai...... I know i would need the 1.6 conversion kit, but im wondering about engine computers, wiring harnesses, etc.....
Any advice would be greatly appreciated
Thanks
chris
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"When rounding up parts for your conversion keep in mind that '96 and up motors are OBDII and will not be smog legal for California.
From a Sidekick or Tracker:
You will need the engine complete with all of the hoses, pulleys intact. You will need the fan, starter, alternator, coil, air cleaner, exhaust manifold, head pipe, engine room wiring harness, under dash wiring harness, ECM, and speedometer.
In addition to this donor parts list you will also need a high pressure fuel pump, an engine adaptor kit, and slightly taller mounts or shims for the front 4 body mounts in order to provide for hood clearance. The donor vehicles wiring harness will need to be modified for use in the Samurai as well as the Samurai speedometer which will need the speed sensor from the donor vehicle adapted to it."
I had copied the above information from a post. This is not my info, but it does come from Trail Tough.
You will need the entire engine bay wiring harness and the entire under dash wiring from the donor vehicle. When you have it modified, you install it in conjunction with the Samurai wiring harness. The Samurai harness will be left in the vehicle, you will just be adding to it.
Just a thought, maybe you could come up with an entire donor vehicle. Keep and use what you want. Sell the leftovers and try and get some of your money back. That's what I did.
On the fuel pump, TT's inline pump was a noisy son-of-a-gun. I tried to quiet it down, but didn't have any luck. I ended up using a Samurai EFI tank and pump. It is nice and quiet now.
Good luck with the swap. It is definately worth it.
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Ya I would call them and see what it would cost you for the rest of the stuff, how much are they quoting you?
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Ya I would call them and see what it would cost you for the rest of the stuff, how much are they quoting you?
Ditto.
I've checked around in my local area and got prices from $650 to 1300 bucks.
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You definitely would want the matching ECM to get the full potential of buying a jap spec motor. The ECM's here would be programmed for emissions and fuel economy.
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That picture looks like the one on E-bay. If it is, for example, I paid less than what they want for the motor, for my donor vehicle.
I have even sold some leftover parts, to recover the expense of the donor vehicle.
Just trying to help you decide.
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That picture looks like the one on E-bay. If it is, for example, I paid less than what they want for the motor, for my donor vehicle.
I have even sold some leftover parts, to recover the expense of the donor vehicle.
Just trying to help you decide.
Yeah it is the one off of Ebay, i was interested in it because of the low mileage. But its starting to sound like i would need a lot of parts from a trackick to make the swap.
Does anyone know about how many hours it take a competant mechanic to pull off the swap if you have a loose engine and a donor vehicle or parts?
thanks again.
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If you have everything ready, i.e. new engine, modified wiring harness, adapter, and such, it really isn't anything more than pull out the samurai engine and transmission (together). Bolt the transmission to the new engine. Reinstall. Hook up the wiring.
I would think the physical part would just be a few hours. The wiring should be too bad either. Like a couple of hours. The new harness ties into the samurai. So there will be no down time, on the samurai, while you round up parts.
Just get everything together and it will be a breeze. I am NOT a mechanic, and I wouldn't hesitate to do another swap.
I think you could do it all in a day. Definately in a weekend.
Here's a link to a more detailed install. It is a great source for information.
http://members.cox.net/aftermarket4x4/comp_proj.html
I have some more info about making the engine fit without doing a body lift.
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If you have everything ready, i.e. new engine, modified wiring harness, adapter, and such, it really isn't anything more than pull out the samurai engine and transmission (together). Bolt the transmission to the new engine. Reinstall. Hook up the wiring.
I would think the physical part would just be a few hours. The wiring should be too bad either. Like a couple of hours. The new harness ties into the samurai. So there will be no down time, on the samurai, while you round up parts.
Just get everything together and it will be a breeze. I am NOT a mechanic, and I wouldn't hesitate to do another swap.
I think you could do it all in a day. Definately in a weekend.
Here's a link to a more detailed install. It is a great source for information.
[url]http://members.cox.net/aftermarket4x4/comp_proj.html[/url]
I have some more info about making the engine fit without doing a body lift.
Thats the thing, im more of the architect/home-renovator/plumber/carpenter and not so much the mechanic..... so i will probably wind up getting my corner shop to do it, so im paying for the labor. Last time i had an engine swapped out on a car was 15 years ago so i dont have any current reference to draw on. And the mechanics i have talked to are not really keen on giving me a ball park estimate.
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Dude, you can do it yourself. It isn't bad at all.
Go to the link I included and read it a couple of times. It is a pretty good description.
If you have some mechanical skills you can do it.
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I am NOT a mechanic, and I wouldn't hesitate to do another swap.
I hope you didn't misunderstand that. What I mean is I WOULD do my own swap again.
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Thanks for the Engine swap link, that makes it sound a lot more do-able. I have relatives who own a foreign auto salvage yard so I will put out the word im looking for a donor vehicle.
thanks much, please feel free to keep discussing the topic, im sure there are other people interested.
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oops, sorry have one last question,
When shopping for a donor vehicle......what years are best for swapping to a samurai?
and also, are the AC and PS from the trackick transplantable while you are moving the motor? just curious.
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I don't know about what are the best years. I used a '96 and I know that the coil is in the distributor. Which isn't that big of a deal, just one less thing to mount.
I don't know about the A/C, I don't think there is enough room for both A/C and P/S without some bracket work.
You will be able to reuse most of the Power Steering. Look at Trail Tough and see, they have a kit to make it work with the Samurai. It is a u-joint that connects the Tracker gearbox to the Samurai steering shaft, and some mounting hardware.
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i agree with jeff and do it your self . its not that bad i wired a 3.8 v6 to a sammi all said and done about 5-6 hrs. hooking up wires & things. try to find wire diagrams for both vehciles first & hy light all nes. systems to run.
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oops, sorry have one last question,
When shopping for a donor vehicle......what years are best for swapping to a samurai?
and also, are the AC and PS from the trackick transplantable while you are moving the motor? just curious.
I hear 8v are the best as they seem to 'convert' to carborated easiest.
~Nate
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what turbo diesle engines from vw are there swap kits for like what yearof car i'm i suppose to look for?
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Rocky Road has a section on Diesal engine swaps that tells you what years etc....
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if the donor engine has the Ac already attached via pulleys etc, and came from a powersteering donor, could you have both ac and powersteering as a result of the swap? or are there things in a Samurai engine bay that get in the way?
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if the donor engine has the Ac already attached via pulleys etc, and came from a powersteering donor, could you have both ac and powersteering as a result of the swap?  or are there things in a Samurai engine bay that get in the way?
The zuk engine bay is kinda small. I think the steering shaft will be in the way.
I am certain that steering is a little more important than A/C. ;D
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so the steering set up on a trackick is that much different than a Samurai?
I know rocky road sells a power steering bracket that lets you upgrade your ac samurai to a powersteering and ac samurai, but it requires using old toyota parts.....and i am going to have tracker power steering parts just sitting there going to waste unless i use them.
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so the steering set up on a trackick is that much different than a Samurai?
I know rocky road sells a power steering bracket that lets you upgrade your ac samurai to a powersteering and ac samurai, but it requires using old toyota parts.....and i am going to have tracker power steering parts just sitting there going to waste unless i use them.
You CAN use the track/kick steering on a zuk!! You will just need to drill some holes to mount the steering box. Trail Tough has a kit for that.
I am just saying that there's not enough room for the stock brackets for P/S and A/C.
I think that aftermarket4x4 has done something like this. Maybe you could check with Sean. His knows his stuff.
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oops, sorry have one last question,
When shopping for a donor vehicle......what years are best for swapping to a samurai?
and also, are the AC and PS from the trackick transplantable while you are moving the motor?  just curious.
1.6L 16v Up to and including 1995 are best (OBDI)
1996 and later are OBDII and a little more difficult. 1996 is a unique set up that is only found on 1996. 1997 & 1998 are also useable but OBDII is a little more difficutl to make run in closed loop. 1999 and up 1.6L 16v engines are even more difficult...
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thanks!!
of course i dont have the donor yet ......or the money to pay for the swap......but im on the look out for both.
Im posting pictures of my most recent stupid sammy trick on a diff thread called trogdors playground.