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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: track_this on February 23, 2004, 04:00:38 PM
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i was wondering what year and make did the 26 spline front shafts come on, im trying to figure out if i have 26 or what year trackick i need to get to do the swap, thanks. shane.
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Here in Aussie the 26 spline is in Vitara's from '94 up.. I worked this out from ARB locker info.. if that helps ! :)
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In the US, it's 96 and up. When I converted my 95 to the Anvil, 5.83 R&P's and ARB's, I also had to buy the 26 spline "long inner axle" for the driver's side. The good part is, once you've done this, you use driver's side outer axles on BOTH sides, and have the ease of the three-bolt flange, to swap out axles quickly.
The outer (hub) ends of the axles are ALL 26 spline.
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Doesn't anything with a 16 valve have a 26 spline count?
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Doesn't anything with a 16 valve have a 26 spline count?
Absolutely not. The 16 valve came out in the 1992 Suzukis (later in Trackers). 26 spline axles came out in the 1996 model year.
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the 96 is a 16V motor.
Zig
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the 96 is a 16V motor.
Zig
OK, something's not registering here:
1991 - 8 valve / 23 spline - I owned one of these
1992 - 16 valve / 23 spline - I owned 1 of these
1993 - 16 valve / 23 spline
1994 - 16 valve / 23 spline
1995 - 16 valve / 23 spline - I own(ed) 3 of these
1996 - 16 valve / 26 spline
1997 - 16 valve / 26 spline
1998 - 16 valve / 26 spline
Get the picture?
Now the 8 valve was ALSO available AFTER 1991, but just because you have a 16 valve does NOT mean you have 26 spline axles.
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if i pull out the the passenger side axle from the housing will i be able to count the splines? that will tell me for sure if it is indeed 26 or not right? and also im wondering if ill need the sidegears also for the 26 spline swap and anything else i might need? thanks for all the help. shane.
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Late modle 95's and up was the first time they came with a 16V motor. So it's almost safe to say that any "Tracker" with a 16V motor is a 26 spline.
I'd never take anyone's word on anything when it comes to taking parts home. It's a base line. Get the part and check it out before you pay for it and take it home.
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ya but i think your wrong on the year :-X, i have a 94 tracker 16v so thats why i am confused with it being based on a certain thing because everyones saying different things. but i do need to know what to look for so if i dont have 26 spline i can ctually find some. :D. shane.
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I have a 95 tracker that had 23 spline. Got parts from a 97 to do the GV swap.
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My 95 16v has 23 splines
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OK, something's not registering here:
I read it as Do any of the 16 Valves have 26 spline, not do all 16V have 26 spline ::)
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Late modle 95's and up was the first time they came with a 16V motor.  So it's almost safe to say that any "Tracker" with a 16V motor is a 26 spline. ÂÂ
You're just not getting it. It doesn't make a bit of difference how many valves you have. Some Trackers had 16 valve engines in 95, and 23 spline axles. Some Trackers in 95 also had the 8-valve engine. If you want 26 splines, you have to go to a 96 or newer. Period.
And if you go to 26 splines, you have to change your side-gears, too, or do like me, and go to a 26 spline ARB (RD-89 in front, I believe).
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Can 23 spline side gears be switched with
26 spline side gears ??? Yes I know this is
going the wrong way, Don't ask, I might
need to swap depending if I can get a 26
long side axle shaft before Moab.
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I switched my 23 spline for 26 spline sidegears, so Yes you can. Call Hawk on the Axle shaft. They will ship one out today.
Zig
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I switched my 23 spline for 26 spline sidegears, so Yes you can. Call Hawk on the Axle shaft. They will ship one out today.
Zig
I agree - I got my 26 spline inner shaft in just a few days from Hawk.
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OK, something's not registering here:
1991 - 8 valve / 23 spline - I owned one of these
1992 - 16 valve / 23 spline - I owned 1 of these
1993 - 16 valve / 23 spline
1994 - 16 valve / 23 spline
1995 - 16 valve / 23 spline - I own(ed) 3 of these
1996 - 16 valve / 26 spline
1997 - 16 valve / 26 spline
1998 - 16 valve / 26 spline
Get the picture?
Now the 8 valve was ALSO available AFTER 1991, but just because you have a 16 valve does NOT mean you have 26 spline axles.
Ummm, Am I missing something? The early Kick carriers I have are 22 spline, not 23. Were there 23 spline too? Is this a CAMI thing?
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No, its 22. Whats up Bobzooki? :-[ JK Bobzooki, I think we got the point. They were smaller. As far as I know 26 spline is only 96 and up.
Mike
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so hawk could get me set up with the parts to do a 26 spline setup on the front? just trying to strengthen the front so when i put on some swampers ill have a little confidence that my front will be somewhat stronger(at least till i get the upgraded axles from kerrywittig) well thanks for all your help it was much needed. shane.
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Yeah, Hawk can get you set up.  FYI, NAPA sells replacement axles with a LIFETIME warranty.  I don't try to turn my Kick into a Spaceship, like Mike, so I still haven't busted an axle, but it only costs about $70 (after the $50 core) to carry a spare axle.  I'll have at least one with me at Moab.
EDIT: Oh, yeah - Mike & Tim, you nailed that one on the head - I got kinda carried away there, eh?
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Last weekend I didn't hit anything hard. I was just driving through the snow stopped for a little bit and the next thin I know I have a blown outter CV.
I'm going to make up some stronger one's this spring.
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I think that the 26 spline shafts dont have as strong CV's as the 22 spline do.And because I have the Anvil set up and I use the driver's side short axle shafts,its easy to use the 22 spline shafts cause their outer ends are 26.So I m thiking about doing it because at least here the 26 spline shafts (inner-outer CV's) break easily.Spanish made.The 22 spline shafts are Japan made.The CV's of 26 spline and 22 spline are not the same.I dont know that for sure ,but I know that some mechanics believe that.
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Ahh, My Kick Speaks Japanese, I've never broke an
Axle, might be I got them good Japanese axles :D
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The housing of the 22 spline shaft  CV's is a bit thinner that the 26 spline one and the CV's housing color is green.The 22 spline axle shafts CVs ,dont break as easy as the 26 spline axle shafts CVs do due to their stronger construction. That's what I believe based on what different mechanics told me.Now if I made a mistake somewhere,please someone correct me.
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I thought they were all green? Ive never seen a different color.
Mike
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I ve seen pictures of your truck Mike.In the pictures I saw the CVs housing was green.Axle shafts with green color housing are Japanese made.The CV housings of my axle shafts (2001 model,spanish made,26 splines) are a bit bigger (longer and thicker) than Japanese made axle shafts,they have steel/metal color and the steel piece between the CVs is also  thicker than the 22 spline ones.But they proved to break far more easy than the green color housing CVs,even though they are thicker and bigger.I ll post a photo in an hour to see how it is.
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I ll post a photo of the axle shaft-CVs later today or tomorrow morning cause I dont have with me the cable that connects the digital camera with the laptop.
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I thought they were all green? Ive never seen a different color.
Mike
I've seen a couple balck ones. But they were rebuilds.
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I ve seen pictures of your truck Mike.In the pictures I saw the CVs housing was green.Axle shafts with green color housing are Japanese made.The CV housings of my axle shafts (2001 model,spanish made,26 splines) are a bit bigger (longer and thicker) than Japanese made axle shafts,they have steel/metal  color and the steel piece between the CVs is also  thicker than the 22 spline ones.But they proved to break far more easy than the green color housing CVs,even though they are thicker and bigger.I ll post a photo in an hour to see how it is.
Maybe Europe got a different CV? Were they build in Japan or Europe?
All the ones I've ever see are green and Jap. If you say the ones over there are weaker, I'll trust ya and avoid any I see.
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The one I broke was green! :P
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I'm gonna confirm the theory of the 89-95 trackicks are indeed 22 spline, 8 and 16 valve. The 96-98 fronts are all 26 spline. I've torn enough of these apart for use in sammys to know this.
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I'm gonna confirm the theory of the 89-95 trackicks are indeed 22 spline, 8 and 16 valve. The 96-98 fronts are all 26 spline. I've torn enough of these apart for use in sammys to know this.
Yeah.  I have no idea where I came up with the 23 spline number instead of 22 for the 95 and earlier.  I just verified it on ARB's website (easy to find there).
Rears are all 26 spline (10 bolt or 12 bolt).
The 22 spline fronts are 0.94 inch shafts, and the 26 spline fronts and rears are all 1.08 inch shafts.
EDIT: I got confused on the spline count of the smaller shafts, because I don't have any of them any more on my trail rig (of course, my daily driver still has stock 22 spline, 0.94" shafts).
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Here is the passenger's side 26 spline driveshaft.Its an old photo (6 months old) before I installed the Anvil.This driveshaft breaks very easy,mainly the whole inner CV.Spanish made possibly,but for sure not a green one,26 spline inner and outer side.And its a new one,I had just got it to replace a broken one then.The boots are from Wurth,very durable,they cannot be damaged.
At the upper part of the photo you can see part of the driver's side driveshaft.
(http://www.off-road.gr/albums/Grvit_Calmini_Vitara/abt.sized.jpg)