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ZUKIWORLD Model Specific Suzuki Forum => Suzuki Grand Vitara, Vitara, Chevy Tracker (Gen. 2 Platform) 1999-2005 => Topic started by: captwoody on June 03, 2015, 08:25:20 AM
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this is a redo since we lost forum sections. when I first attempted the install I found out the lockers diameter was a bit to large so I had to do the following
ORW machined ID of ring gear to 4.63" and chamfered .015" off locker corner edge of ring gear so ARB would fit tight and bolt up. so if you are an automatic 2.0 99-05 with 4.88 gears this will work for rear only . Other than machining it was a standard install. i will attach linc from another Suzuki forum with additional
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heres the linc
http://www.suzuki-forums.com/1g-1999-2005-vitara-grand-vitara/128001-arb-locker-anyone-have-one.html (http://www.suzuki-forums.com/1g-1999-2005-vitara-grand-vitara/128001-arb-locker-anyone-have-one.html)
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Thanks captwoody. That's some of the fine point info that would have been lost and some one would have to reinvent the wheel (again) one day. Cool beans.
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Captwoody. Who modified your ring for this? I'm new to the zuki stuff but would love to put an arb in my zr2 tracker.
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4 wheel parts Murrieta. if you need 4.88 thats done I have it in a box I went to 5.12 gears when I lifted 2 more inches and added 31" tires just pm me
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So if I wanted to go with 31s I'd have go go with 5.12 gearing? I was thinking about adding a 1inch body lift to my 2 inch coil spacers and 1.5 wheel spacers and going with a 225/85/16 to get 31s.
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Suppose you start by telling us what you have now - there were three different engines used in the gen 2 and three or four different gear sets - 5.12s might not be appropriate for your particular build, or, they might just as easily be when you have now.
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I have a zr2 v6 4 door I do not know the gearing that is in it. I have a 2 inch coil spacer lift from low range offroad. And 30x9.5 on stock wheels
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I fully feel with some wheel spacers and 16inch rims 31s would fit fine with just the coil lift its got plenty of clearance and doesn't rub except at full lock now.
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I have a 2.0 2dr 4x4 and with the 4.88's it pulled 31's but was a little bogged down. still would do 85 on freeway just took a bit to get there
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I have a zr2 v6 4 door I do not know the gearing that is in it. I have a 2 inch coil spacer lift from low range offroad. And 30x9.5 on stock wheels
Chock the front wheels to prevent the truck from moving and jack one rear wheel of the ground - mark the drive shaft and the tire that's off the ground and then count the number of times the drive shaft rotates for two full revolutions of the wheel.
If I'm not mistaken, it should be 4.875 if it's an automatic transmission, 4.3 if it's a manual.
5.125 gears will definitely help.
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Fordem is correct, it came with 4.88 gears. Whether it would clear 31" pizza cutter tires with the 2" coil spacer lift with the plastic cladding the ZR2 came with... one way to find out.... try one on for size. I like the pizza cutter tires.
At least you have the V6 engine which generates about 19 more horsepower than the 2 liter engine and the auto tranny. So some of the gearing loss could be handled with the V6 engine. The narrower tire would be easier to pull than a full 31X10.5 tires. The larger tires may cause your tranny to search for the over drive speed though.
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I guess I will have to find some 16 rims and try em on for size . The 30x9.5 clear easy and it runs just as good as stock. My gas mileage didn't even get affected but maybe 5-10 miles a tank, which could be my driving. Other wise power is more than fine. I may not worry with 31s we will see in the future. i also cut the mud flap part of the plastic. Flares are still there just not the flap. I'm working on a bumper right now since I can't really find one I like the calmini almost seems to bulky.
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The only 16" rims I found were the steelies or alloy Grand Vitara rims. You can find 16" in a lot of aftermarket rims, but I was looking for the rims with 4 1/4" back spacing. Additionally, not all aftermarket rims clear the calipers on these trucks.
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Nprecon thank you for saying that I had us similar issue with a pair of 15s I bought now I know what I need to fit. 4.5 backspace
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There are some early Sidekick rims that won't fit the 2nd gen trucks either, even with the factory 4 1/4" back spacing. I had a set of alloy rims from a '95 kick. I mounted a rim to check for fit... it appeared good so I mounted my tires on them and drove them. After about 20K miles I needed to install some new brake pads on the front end. One I installed the new pads, the calipers were fully expanded and I suddenly had caliper rub on the inside of the rims. I could have just "ground some caliper" for the clearance, but I elected not to. There was no driving on these rims without modifying something. They wouldn't roll/spin because of the caliper contact.
My point being, even if the back space is similar, it is the shape and mounting surface of the inside of the rim that can cause grief and fitment issues. Just be aware of this.
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Thanks so much for reposting the info on this thread captwoody!
I got linked here to the old thread that was lost and was like, nooooo, WTF?!
I signed up just to say thanks when I found this because I've been hoping to eventually put an ARB air locking rear diff in my 2003 ZR2 Tracker and have read that there is no drop-in solution unless I want to swap a 1st gen third member in. This info sure is helpful, hearing from someone who has actually done it gives me more confidence to carry on with that plan. Machining the ring gear doesn't seem too bad to me unless there is some advantage to swapping out the whole rear end instead. Do you have to modify the ARB parts in any way or just mill out the ID of the ring gear? I have to admit I'm not an expert when it comes to this stuff but I do have a firm grasp on the principles, it's the nitty gritty details and specifics of my rig that get me worried. I have sure learned a lot in the last year or so since I got serious about it. For some reason I really don't see many people doing much with these trucks, although I can't understand why. I'd like to help change that a bit by showing people you can wheel these things without having to completely re-invent them. I've been super happy with my ZR2 the way it came stock and all I have really done so far to make it more off road capable is putting in an OME suspension with the 989 springs (that add 1" of lift) and nitro charger shocks & struts that have a longer stroke and add a bit of articulation to the front end. I have some 1" coil spacers and put on 235/75R15 29" AT's on 1" wheel spacers and cut a bit of the plastic trim out of the way where it liked to rub. It wheels amazingly well considering it only has about 2.5" total increase in clearance. The only mechanical trouble with it offroad so far has been popping front swaybar links due to the increased front end flex (which went away when I switched to Moog adjustable links). Performance wise, I'm really happy with the way it drives on and off road with the stock 4.88 gearing on the 29" tires. Aside from minor nuances with any modification, the truck is loving it. Having a selectable rear locker that doesn't eff with normal driving is about the only thing I would really want to add now, aside from a custom front bumper and winch setup that I have been putting off mostly for reasons of still being a bit too broke to afford it after all the money I spent on the suspension. I blew over 2 grand on it but I don't feel like a wasted a dollar. I looked at cheaper suspension kits like Calmini and for the extra money, so far the OME ride and reliability really has been worth every single penny, it really does live up to the hype when you notice how much better your ride handles in any conditions. I've done everything from washboard drifting to driving rally speed on trails and crawling washouts, and the suspension has taken everything I could throw at it with ease and it still rides so nice on the highway. A rear locker and a bit more lift (when it's not my DD anymore) would make this thing a formidable force off road as it can squeeze in to the tight places that would tear a strip out of a larger truck and the short wheel base and tight turning radius make it ideal for the types of trails and obstacles frequently encountered in my area (Pacific Northwest, Vancouver Island). I plan to keep this info handy and hope someone is still around who knows what they're doing once I decide (can afford) to go for a locker... CHEERS!