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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: trialspro on March 24, 2004, 01:25:01 PM
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i know samurais are known for riding rough, but can new shocks or springs help much?
i dont wanna swap to coils or anything! but i was considering getting new shocks and MAYBE an add-a-leaf in the rear if they make them cause the spare weighs it down a lot
anyone have OME on a sami and notice much of a difference?
i was offroading with an 88 4runner and a 95 sonoma (both IFS) yesterday and they were almost twice as smooth to ride in... mine probably cant get that good, but an improvement would be very nice
any help would be great, thanks
Andrew
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emu's make whole nother world of difference and they give you a 3 inch lift i have been runnign them for a year and havent had any troubles yet
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well I can only tell ya about my sami's ride.
new springs and shocks STILL rides like a lumber wagon ;D But we kinda like it that way.
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Funny, a buddy of mine has YJs under his with Rancho shocks. His rides mushy, but it won't kill your butt to ride in. I've got full size Jeep Grand Wagoneer springs under my lwb sammy, rides, flexes, and carries a load like you wouldn't beleive! Problem with using these springs on a swb sammy is, you have to stretch the frame a lot! My rear shackle hangers are at the very end of my frame, which is 9" longer than the swb sammy from the axle back. My fronts are on a 6" frame extension. The front springs are 10 1/2" longer than the stock fronts and 1 1/2" longer than YJs. My rears are 17" longer than the stock sammy rears, 11" longer than YJs!
On a stock swb sammy, I'd recommend running with YJs all around, you'll be very impressed with everything!
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i went from rancho 1 1/2 lift springs to stock yj springs and rides a whole lot better.
no more of your leg or head hitting the door.
i can drive twice as fast down the same trail and it still rides better than the ranchos.
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you can aslo take a couple leaf's out of put stock packs and use a body lift shackle lift or something to reagian the clerance it worked for my dad it gave a better ride and more flex
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are there any springs for sale that provide a much better ride, but dont lift it too much?
i saw some lift springs and they say not to use them in spoa samis
also, would an "anti-wrap" bar or whatever theyre called help at all? im doubting that, just a thought
Andrew
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Go with the yj 5 pack from hard top 6 cylinder good ride and limits axle wrap.plus once you find a place with old yj springs makes for cheap replacement . see trail tough web site .just my 2 cents.
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I have an SOA on my Sammy, and I find that it does ride a Lot better than it did stock.  I also have the Doestch tech shocks, an OME stabilizer, and a set of 32' bfg M/t's on.
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any yj spring swap kits out there?
if not, what would you think a shop would charge to do it if i supplied springs.
oh, and even if i left it riding like "a lumber wagon" isnt that pretty hard on the frame etc?
i dunno, i hate selling cars so often, im 18 and on my 5th, (sonoma, s10, sprint, sidekick, samurai) but i really like this one and would definetly keep it if it would just perform better at decent speeds on trails like other peoples
thanks :-/
Andrew
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OH MY!!!
http://www.rocky-road.com/yjkit.html
anyone have these?!? WOW! if so, are they hard to install?
i can get my hands on the springs easily, this is VERY interesting
Andrew!!
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I don't have em....yet. I'm leaning on going that way, but from what I understand you do sacrifice some handling capabilities on road when they are installed. That kit is specifically designed to give you more flex off road. It is also fairly easy to install since it's all bolt on if you already have your perches welded to the other side of the axle.
As far as you wanting better on and off road performance, my Sammy handles decently (for a Samurai) on road because I put a trac bar in the front. This locks the front axle in place under the vehicle and stops the side-to-side wandering of the vehicle. Good shocks can make a world of difference too. I'd recommend the Doetsch Tech shocks. I have them installed, along with and OME stabilizer, and it's very driveable on the roads, even on the 32's.
It's gonna ride rough to some extent no matter what you do with it. It's so lightweight that it doesn't have the mass to absorb bumps like a larger truck does.
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the jeep eater kit is cool a couiple kids around my area run it. it really is a flexy kit my buddy put his sammi with this kit and 3 inch body and 37 inch tires up on the roof of a yj once it was funny as hell but the guy was really pissed
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i dont know about the rocky road kit, but i run the trail tough kit with front and rear missing links and it was not that hard to install the hardest part was drilling holes in frame. in is a bolt on kit. also depending on your lower front shock mounts you may have to move them to keep shock from hitting spring at full droop. i also run a breeze knuckle over steering becouse my eight inch drop drag link hit the spring at full droop. with out a panhard bar the front end does fill a little loose becouse it moves side to side but i stiil drive mine on the road and it isn't that bad it just likes to wonder around a little.
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been looking around for good prices for this the last couple days.
rocky road seems cheapest (400 for front and rear)
i was hoping for cheaper though:P
trailtough has just the rears for 209 which sounds good, do u think the fronts make a large difference? personally i think they would.
these are all american prices which really sucks too since i live in canada >:(
any input?
Andrew
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or maybe just fronts might be better, let me know
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no help? this is the last time ill bump this topic
i was thinking front yjs might actually be better seeing as how the front samurai springs are worse than the rears... but my back end already looks lower and this'll make it worse
main question though: are there ANY cheaper places, and if i just install one, would you go front or back?
last try on this topic, thanks
Andrew
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IF YOU HAVEN'T GOT YOUR REPLY YET , IT COULD BE CAUSE ALOT OF FOLKS ARE GETTING THERE ZUKES READY FOR MOAB & GETTING PAGES BEHIND IN HERE :-/
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if price is your main consern then you might try running rear spring up front this is a whole lot cheaper than a yj kit. i have no idea what it rides like though.
when i had rancho on mine the back also sat lower than the front i put a 1" lift shackle on the back and it made it look better. the yj kit will give you probably 2" to 3" more lift so if you do just put it on one end it will look worse. i would save some money and do both.
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I am very interested in hearing more on this topic as well..
I would love to hear from someone that has ridden in many lifted samurais that can give us a comparison between the different springs.
1. OME Lifted Springs
2. YJ Conversion
3. Rear Up Front - Rear in Rear
4. Rear UP Front - CJ in Rear
I am mainly interested in the difference between the Yjs and the OME. I believe they would be the best ride..
In your case with trying to save some money, maybe you could go YJ upfront, and leave your rears but do the add-a-leaf and longer shackles to balance out the height? I believe the fronts will make more of a difference in how your truck rides than the rear would..
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Trialspro
I just unbolted my RRO YJ front so I could weld on my frame ext. and do a S/R. I will peddle you a brand new unused YJ front kit for $125 if you want the OTT stage 1 crossover steering I'll get rid of it to $110.... you will ned some sort of steering fix if you go YJ. All of it has been painted and bolted on but never used. ;)
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I am very interested in hearing more on this topic as well.. ÂÂ
I would love to hear from someone that has ridden in many lifted samurais that can give us a comparison between the different springs.
1. OME Lifted Springs
2. YJ Conversion
3. Rear Up Front - Rear in Rear
4. Rear UP Front - CJ in Rear
I am mainly interested in the difference between the Yjs and the OME.  I believe they would be the best ride..
In your case with trying to save some money, maybe you could go YJ upfront, and leave your rears but do the add-a-leaf and longer shackles to balance out the height?  I believe the fronts will make more of a difference in how your truck rides than the rear would..
I have owned all but the OMEs on my own trucks, I'd take the YJs over anything else, even with Rancho RS5000 shocks, it rides smooth as hell. The next best thing would be to use the modified rears up front (88.5 up won't live long like that) with the CJ or YJ springs in back. Just look at the sammy like some kind of modular extension of you, if you don't like the results of a mod you did to it, try something else, you'll get there eventually.
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oooh i thought this topic was done with, but its BACK ;D
did you have any problems with the new bolt on hangers ripping/twisting/breaking off?
i heard to do it right it must be welded, im not planning on baja racing this or anything (not like they do that with samis), but i dont want to make a weak link.
ummm ya, as of now im thinking rears up front with yjs in the rear, im not looking for lift, just smoother riding..
Andrew
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I didn't have any problems with them at all with a constantly overloaded sammy on 33s with a sammy trailer on 33s being towed all the time.
The big thing is to make sure you follow the directions carefully, not too picky, but just a good idea.