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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Technical Discussion - Performance / Modify => Topic started by: KJMac on May 23, 2012, 10:13:46 PM
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Is anyone on here using a Megasquirt pnp? Or any Megasquirt as a stand alone?
Thank you for any feedback!
Kj
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I dont think they have a plug n play for any of our ECM's. What engine/vehicle were you considering using MS on? ...and for what reason(s) out of curiosity?
This should get you started tho:
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/build-diaries-how-to-diy/build-up-87-sami-1-6-16v-megasquirt/ (http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/build-diaries-how-to-diy/build-up-87-sami-1-6-16v-megasquirt/)
http://www.driftwoodchimes.com/zuki1018/ (http://www.driftwoodchimes.com/zuki1018/)
http://www.youtube.com/zuki1018 (http://www.youtube.com/zuki1018)
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Thank you!! They have a pnp kit that requires assembly. I have a turbo on my 16valve with 5 speed 1994 4dr. I thought this would work good on it for tuning capabilities. Faster processing, etc..
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Thank you!! They have a pnp kit that requires assembly. I have a turbo on my 16valve with 5 speed 1994 4dr. I thought this would work good on it for tuning capabilities. Faster processing, etc..
Anytime. Could you link me to the PNP please?
BTW i love the functionality even though i only have MS1 v3. Do you have a wideband 02 already? Any links to your rig?
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They have a pnp kit that requires assembly.
PNP = plug and play (doesn't require assembly)
The only place I know of that has pnp kits is diyautotune.com and I didn't see a listing for G16 engine as suspected. Not sure if i am missing info or you are! ha They have them for a lot of more popular tuner cars though.
Are considering buying a kit and doing all the soldering yourself? What are you doing now to add fuel? How much boost? Stock engine/injectors?
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http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/diypnp-nippon-denso-76pin-unassembled-kit-p-384.html (http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/diypnp-nippon-denso-76pin-unassembled-kit-p-384.html)
I'm Running a stock engine and injectors with a high pressure 255lph pump and 12:1 vortech FMU.
the Turbo is a Garrett T25 with .64 A/R Turbine housing and .80 A/R Comp Housing 8lbs. Boost
Diy Autotune calls it a Diy plug and play because most is assembeled, the plug is correct for many cars including the 1992-1995 sidekick and the `96-`98. mine will use two plugs and the later (OBD 2) uses all of the plug. Matt it the guy who emailed me back on the kit. He said a group buy they would assemble completely and do a base tune. From what I have read, your MS is a good computer. Im buying the Diypnp and assembling the boards and Jumper wires myself, Matt figured 3hrs for a novice. i have soldered before, diodes and such but not a computer. I guess it depends on how much my MS is messing with me come time to do it! lol. You have a nice ride! any complaints on tuning the computer? are you using the Megatune?
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I re-read your post and see you are using the tuner studio. That is the same program I will use.
I plan on using the sequential upgrade as well and maybe the boost solenoid. Are you using the speed density or Alpha-N?
do you have the turbo setup dialed in yet?
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I need to check out the cost for a megasquirt kit. With 8 years of working on avionics in the NAVY both OMD, IMD and depot level, Uncle Sam made sure I had the skills. I had built more than a few audio/radio components from Heathkit and other suppliers. This looks interesting.....
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I also have the boost solenoid... not currently connected tho. If u link to my website I have a decent msq file. I have the upper limit at 180kpa. I'm running a Max of 150kpa so u may wanna add fuel across the 180 column.
Speed density I believe.. you'd have to peek.
The key I am missing is an accurate timing map from the stock setup. At some point I will dyno it.
U should start a build page and we can collaborate info. This will make it more appealingly for others.
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I need to check out the cost for a megasquirt kit. With 8 years of working on avionics in the NAVY both OMD, IMD and depot level, Uncle Sam made sure I had the skills. I had built more than a few audio/radio components from Heathkit and other suppliers. This looks interesting.....
Its been really fun and a great learning process. You can record while driving and play it all back like a movie.
I think the cost is reasonable. The ms1 is cheaper as there are 2 newer versions. Ms1 has plenty of function for my needs.
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I have done alot of tuning with Hondata Kpro and Honda Kseries engines. Far more extensive tuning wise than megasquirt from the sounds of it, kpro has to tune the low cam, high cam map, and every 10 degrees of cam advance(50 degrees total) and then ignition maps for all those fuel maps. Then you can add boost, nitrous, meth injection etc and their associated maps. You could even set OBDII readiness to forced pass even if the engine wasnt even installed, LOL
I am looking forwards to my kit arriving and getting started!!!!
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Wow! I have read about Hondata (a little) and it sounds more complicated than the megasquirt. I'm excited to get mine. I'm a little worried about the assembly but I'm getting the assembled test board, the wideband, sequential and IAC upgrade. I will go to flexfuel capability when it is/if more popular! It will be cool the more that have MS the more we can help tune!
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I had a nifty tuning tool, a G-tech Pro, it is a dataloggable accelerometer, no need for any $$$$ dyno time,,,,unfortunately it developed feet one day when I drove up to Syracuse and forgot to roll up my window when I stopped at a 7-11 type store.....bonehead move on my part...
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That is frustrating when that kind of thing happens, right out of a convenient store! Those aren't cheap either! That is too bad, wouldn't you have liked to catch them in the act! Shiu1018 I will have to look at yours!
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I also have the boost solenoid... not currently connected tho. If u link to my website I have a decent msq file. I have the upper limit at 180kpa. I'm running a Max of 150kpa so u may wanna add fuel across the 180 column.
Speed density I believe.. you'd have to peek.
The key I am missing is an accurate timing map from the stock setup. At some point I will dyno it.
U should start a build page and we can collaborate info. This will make it more appealingly for others.
What is the best way to start a build page? I'm not sure if I'm going to do the boost solenoid.
So you are using the speed density! Are you using the narrowband O2 sensor only? I'm going to us the speed density and stock 1995 distributor and single MAP sensor. If I remember, you aren't using a second MAP Sensor. I was thinking of using the one MAP sensor for boost and barometric correction. We hunt at high elevation, I will be using wide band so might not need it?? Are you running stock injectors, if so what duty cycle at 150 kpa? Thanks!
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What is the best way to start a build page? I'm not sure if I'm going to do the boost solenoid.
So you are using the speed density! Are you using the narrowband O2 sensor only? I'm going to us the speed density and stock 1995 distributor and single MAP sensor. If I remember, you aren't using a second MAP Sensor. I was thinking of using the one MAP sensor for boost and barometric correction. We hunt at high elevation, I will be using wide band so might not need it?? Are you running stock injectors, if so what duty cycle at 150 kpa? Thanks!
The other forum under build diary i mean. Well read up on the solenoid. If your using a bleed type now for wastegate, the solenoid will add a lot of tuneability. You can adjust wastegate across a table similar to the fuel/spark. IE fully closed in lower rpms to build boost faster. I just suggest that you add whatever mods you will eventually want. Its a pita trying to re-add wiring for those add-ons down the road. Like now I wish I had installed the wiring for the meth injection. It would save me from having to open up all my wire looms again.
Im really not sure which of those settings i have. Its only using the 1 bar map sensor in MS, the wide-band 02, TPS, Coolant, and IAT sensors to run the engine.
You may run into heat soak problems with the stock IAT... although maybe the newer version of MS is better. I recently installed my IAT up near the bumper which isn't ideal. Under the hood i was getting IAT temps of 140F trying to tune my boost areas of the fuel maps. This was giving me headaches since the sensor is not the fast acting type as some turbo guys suggest. Im also not running an intercooler so I was forced to mount mine at the throttle body.
Looking at a megalog, at 149kpa (7psi) duty cycle shows 50%. Doesn't sound correct to me though. Oh and just for fun figures:
2600rpm I start building boost, MAP = 100
2750rpm MAP 121 (3psi)
2900rpm MAP 139 (5.6psi)
3100rpm MAP 153 (7.6psi)
This is a T25 from a 2.0ltr Saab .48/.48 ...also consider thats just one snap shot. Engine under more/less load. I see another area where boost started at 2200rpms and others higher at 3000.
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Cool, I appreciate the info! The map figures are interesting, seems to spool pretty fast, I'm sure with more load it would be quicker.
I'm worried about heat soak too. I cut a hole above the turbo and put an ABS scoop on it. I plan to put an ointthaercooler on real soon!
That is the same sensor setup I'm going to use! The duty cycle does seem a little low! I'm thinking close to the throttle body is a good place to mount it. More accurate I suppose. I'm hoping my kit will be here Friday!
Do you feel yours is pretty dialed in? The wideband make things easier?
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Cool, I appreciate the info! The map figures are interesting, seems to spool pretty fast, I'm sure with more load it would be quicker.
I'm worried about heat soak too. I cut a hole above the turbo and put an ABS scoop on it. I plan to put an ointthaercooler on real soon!
That is the same sensor setup I'm going to use! The duty cycle does seem a little low! I'm thinking close to the throttle body is a good place to mount it. More accurate I suppose. I'm hoping my kit will be here Friday!
Do you feel yours is pretty dialed in? The wideband make things easier?
Sure... I am looking forward to see yours installed and sharing info. Where did you get the scoop from? Do you have any pix? I decided against intercooling initially as I was lowest rpm spool as possible. At some point I will add the water/meth injection.
I still had heat soak with mine mounted right at the Tbody. Another possible location would be tapping the passenger side of the intake manifold. It wouldn't be "over" the engine and far from the turbo. Most intercooled guys put it just after the intercooler side of the intake piping.
My maps are pretty dialed yeah. Engine pulls very strong at WOT and doesn't lean out. Again... I haven't tuned between the 150-180kpa line.
I would definitely suggest the wideband. That is the only real tuning tool you will have.
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Another source for T25's are the 2nd gen Eclipse/Talon, just be carefull at the junkyards etc as the T25 is the first thing upgraded as it is substantally undersized for a 2.0L high rpm engine.
Look at 02'+ thru 08' Honda Kseries engines for a IAT, Accords, Elements, CivicSi, AcuraRSX, TSX all have the same IAT that works great with boost.
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Thanks guys for the great info! "My MSPNP" Kit came today with the Innovate wideband. I'm hoping to get the thing assembled this weekend! And start tuning the thing! I will take plenty of pictures. Lol! I bought the and scoop off of eBay, cheapo!
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Thanks guys for the great info! "My MSPNP" Kit came today with the Innovate wideband. I'm hoping to get the thing assembled this weekend! And start tuning the thing! I will take plenty of pictures. Lol! I bought the and scoop off of eBay, cheapo!
If/when you get a few minutes, could u link me to the same one you bought?
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http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/diypnp-nippon-denso-76pin-unassembled-kit-p-384.html (http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/diypnp-nippon-denso-76pin-unassembled-kit-p-384.html)
This is the one I purchased for my project!!
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[url]http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/diypnp-nippon-denso-76pin-unassembled-kit-p-384.html[/url] ([url]http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/diypnp-nippon-denso-76pin-unassembled-kit-p-384.html[/url])
This is the one I purchased for my project!!
sorry i meant the hood scoop. this is on a samurai right?
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Oops sorry! It is on my sidekick. I went on eBay and typed in hood scoop, I will try to see if I can link it. On the DIYPNP, it has the IAC control built in. It has Blue tooth capability but I think I will leave it out! I read just a little about it and there is a monitor app for the smart phones.
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Oops sorry! It is on my sidekick. I went on eBay and typed in hood scoop, I will try to see if I can link it. On the DIYPNP, it has the IAC control built in. It has Blue tooth capability but I think I will leave it out! I read just a little about it and there is a monitor app for the smart phones.
Oh I got yah n/m.
I got rid of the IAC on mine ('95 donor). I wanted to clean up the intake some. Idles great. Im jealous you wont have to go through the external wiring that i had to!
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What did you use for you for your ignition in and out? I might ditch the IAC?
Thanks.
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What did you use for you for your ignition in and out? I might ditch the IAC?
Thanks.
Have you looked at my build page or website?
I have a 3-wire Hall sensor for input. Output to the stock dizzy.
Im not sure how you would go about it with PNP and not having to do the wiring part under the hood. Where does the PNP kit get the spark signal... the stock CAS and internal hall pickup in the dizzy?
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I have but I need to go back to it! I really had fun with the pnp....not! The wiring schematics on line didn't match mine as close as I wouldbhave liked! I knew it would take time but wow! I would love your base tune! I ordered the straight thru DB9 cable and I need the one with USB on one end! I will do that tonight or tomorrow! a base tune would be good though, this is a lot of reading and my Multiple Sclerosis has my vision messed up. I will look at your build!
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I have but I need to go back to it! I really had fun with the pnp....not! The wiring schematics on line didn't match mine as close as I wouldbhave liked! I knew it would take time but wow! I would love your base tune! I ordered the straight thru DB9 cable and I need the one with USB on one end! I will do that tonight or tomorrow! a base tune would be good though, this is a lot of reading and my Multiple Sclerosis has my vision messed up. I will look at your build!
..I hear yah. Not sure what all you have to wire but that was 1/2 my battle. I used my tracker wiring harness only for the plugs. I ordered the external wire loom from DIY and ran everything.
I have my MSQ file on my website. You'll have to go into to it and export the timing and fuel tables.... or whatever else you want/need.
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I'm having a heck of a time with fuel table. Imbtrying to get the parameters for the turbo and such. Do I need to do that in megatune? Or can I do it in tuner studio? where are you getting all of the turbo tuning?
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Isee you have the tuner studio 1.006, mine is 1.004. Killer program!!! thanks for your help!
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I'm having a heck of a time with fuel table. Imbtrying to get the parameters for the turbo and such. Do I need to do that in megatune? Or can I do it in tuner studio? where are you getting all of the turbo tuning?
Did u figure out how to load my file and export the tables? All the tuning is from many hours of driving and my better half with the laptop making adjustments!
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Lol, nice!
Did the tunerstudio detect boost?
Did you do table switching?
Thanks!!
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Lol, nice!
Did the tunerstudio detect boost?
Did you do table switching?
Thanks!!
Yeah via the MAP. I haven't used the auto tuning stuff much. I also haven't spent the $40 for megalog viewer. That program does have some very good offline tuning though. I have tried it here and there but its not as stable as watching the wideband gauge and adjusting while driving.
No table switching for me. The spark/fuel table is pretty much a constant. I could see it if you had other mods like NOS/Methanol/water injection. I am by no means an expert though. There is a lot of stuff to learn with megasquirt. I have a lot of "reading" hours invested ha!
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Thank you!! I didn't realize you didn't have autotune. I will try autotune and if I don't like it I will disable it. I'm sure you have read you butt off. I'm still reading, obviously, and you have saved me time.
As I said earlier I have ms and my short term memory is affected greatly affected. I have been forgetting what I have read. Lol!
It is a work in progress as you know so I'm taking the easy road.
Thanks
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Thank you!! I didn't realize you didn't have autotune. I will try autotune and if I don't like it I will disable it. I'm sure you have read you butt off. I'm still reading, obviously, and you have saved me time.
As I said earlier I have ms and my short term memory is affected greatly affected. I have been forgetting what I have read. Lol!
It is a work in progress as you know so I'm taking the easy road.
Thanks
What I like the most is my better half riding with me tuning the fuel table manually based on the wideband readout. Second to that... I like to "record as i drive" then save the log file, open in Megalog Viewer, then run its table suggestion. The down side to using the suggested tables it spits out is that it changes my lower RPM/MAP (idle) settings. Plus it only computes a certain number of records in the free version.
Check my tune file but I have my 02 authority set to 8 or 10 i think. This helps to correct in real-time. Once you get things pretty close on the fuel table, lower this number down some. There is some good reading on tuning on DIY and other forums.
I think if you load my file, then adjust some of the basics like how your spark is setup... you should be able to boost up pretty safely.
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I screwed up somewhere, I can't get it to start. Not sure what is going on but I'm sure I will find it. I thing I would have been better starting with a new harness because of all the shitty schematics, the wires are never the same color! I think I need to pull the computer out and go over it again! I think I need to check my ignition wires. I have the white wire going to the ignition in and might need to use the Brown?
The sync light is on, on the TS dashboard. Not sure why!