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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Build Diaries, How-To, DIY => Topic started by: Scotsmn on September 24, 2011, 05:58:18 PM
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Well to get the story started, I bought this 1990 Tracker for $1000. It had no rust, 143000 miles, ran great, and even came with a spare 8v 1.6 engine.
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So after driving it with the little 215/75/15s on it I desided it was time to get a bit height to her. So I started pricing lifts and though the lifts are not all that expensive, I found a link posted by whitfield about using ford explorer springs to get lift. This really intrigued me so I desided why not. So off to the U-pick-it junk yard and found a set of explorer front springs and some rear heep Grand Cherokee springs for $40 total. I then went and ordered a couple of strut spacers, rear upper control arm spacer, and a couple of camber bolts. Also picked up a pair of 91 crown vic shocks for the rear.
So today I started the work. I started out taking initial measurements to see what lift I would actually come up with. Stock was 31 1/2" from ground to bottom of the center fender front and 32 1/2" center fender rear.
After getting the tracker up on stands and all the wheels off I took the front end apart.
Spring difference, Top is original and bottom is the explore springs.
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Added Strut Spacers
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then cut the pig tails off the explorer springs
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Spring installed
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With the front done I took the rear apart and added the spacer
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then added the heep springs and the crown vic shocks
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So all done I ended up with 2 1/2" raise in the front and 2" in the rear. Took me about 4 hours total and just basic tools. Drove it a couple of miles on city streets and could hear the springs settling in for the first mile then it quieted up and drove just like stock. Now to add the 15x8 wheels and probably some 30x9.50R15s. Will get more pics up in a few days when get the wheels and tires on.
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well would like to see pics of front cv axle angles cause i think the angle my be too much i know some guys have done stuff like this and they get eating front axles .....but so far looks good
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Looks good, 2.5" is about the most you can go with the front end before looking into a diff drop kit. If you are destroying CV shafts when climbing things a limiting strap might be a good option.
Do you know what the stock weight is of the Explorer springs? I'm wondering how they compare to the stock front springs and the GV springs.
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Ok well went with 31x10.5R15s on 15x8 wheels. Overall I am super impressed. The Ride is actually smoother than stock on the road and with the wider stance it feels a lot more stable.
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beagel..t, I have a friend that has spring spacers and the angle seems more extreme on his Sidekick than what I have with this lift. I am going to watch it hard for a while and see how the joints hold up, but I at full drop it will be still less than if I used spacers.
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Drone637, Per a post by Whitfield listed below, the stock 4 door Sidekick front spring is 508 ppi, the explorer springs are 500 ppi. I would assume that the GV springs would be about the same but I don't have the exact specs.
http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/general-suzuki-forum/ford-lift-kick-aasaa(cheap-ford-lift-coils-with-pics)/ (http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/general-suzuki-forum/ford-lift-kick-aasaa(cheap-ford-lift-coils-with-pics)/)
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Drone637, Per a post by Whitfield listed below, the stock 4 door Sidekick front spring is 508 ppi, the explorer springs are 500 ppi. I would assume that the GV springs would be about the same but I don't have the exact specs.
[url]http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/general-suzuki-forum/ford-lift-kick-aasaa(cheap-ford-lift-coils-with-pics)/[/url] ([url]http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/general-suzuki-forum/ford-lift-kick-aasaa(cheap-ford-lift-coils-with-pics)/[/url])
Nice, I'll have to look at picking some up. The GV springs run at 540 lbs and I find them a bit to stiff for my liking and want to go a little softer. Those sound just about perfect. Now to hit some pull aparts.
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Well did some hiway driving today and with the 31s and stock gears 68 to 70 was about all that she could do, but the suspension felt great at that speed and just a bit smoother than it was at stock so over all I am complete satisfied with this lifting option, and for a total $ amount of less than $200 I am extremely happy.
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Do the front tires rub the back of the wheel opening when you turn? Looks good! Are those tires the new fallen a/t's?
Kevin
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Do the front tires rub the back of the wheel opening when you turn? Looks good! Are those tires the new fallen a/t's?
Kevin, The tires did rub a little till I took the plastic out of the inner fender and bent the inner ridge down. Now they clear completely even when completely stuffed.
Yes they are the new Falken A/T's. I did a bit of reading on them and they actually got some great reviews. I have had them on the road and they are really quiet and so far in Mud they are awesome. I am pretty impressed with them so far.
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I LOVE the strut spacers you used!!! They look like a real quality product! :laugh:. Actually I like the look of your ride. It looks perfect now.
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Do the front tires rub the back of the wheel opening when you turn? Looks good! Are those tires the new fallen a/t's?
Kevin, The tires did rub a little till I took the plastic out of the inner fender and bent the inner ridge down. Now they clear completely even when completely stuffed.
Yes they are the new Falken A/T's. I did a bit of reading on them and they actually got some great reviews. I have had them on the road and they are really quiet and so far in Mud they are awesome. I am pretty impressed with them so far.
What is the wheel opening measurement now, with the lift and 31's? Looks awesome!
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so the rear springs are jeep springs? anything need to be modded to fit them? also can i get measurments from fender opening to center of rear wheel so i can guage the difference with my kick with 235's.
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What is the wheel opening measurement now, with the lift and 31's? Looks awesome!
The outside opening is the exact same as stock. The only change I made was taking that inner plastic peice out and then hammering down the ridge it is attached to giving me a little over another inch of clearance. Also I removed the front bottom piece from the front bumper.
so the rear springs are jeep springs? anything need to be modded to fit them? also can i get measurments from fender opening to center of rear wheel so i can guage the difference with my kick with 235's.
On the Jeep springs, the only thing that I did is cut of the little bit of pig tail on the top to allow it over the bump stop.
From center of rear hub to the center of the top of the wheel welll is 21". From the center of the rear hub to the front of the wheel well at the molding is 16.5".
Since my last post I have put several hundered miles on this lift and it has not given me a single issue. I took it for a bit of off roading and had it complete stuffed both in the front and rear on all four corners and didn't have a single issue. So far I couldn't be happier, other than now wanting just a touch more power.
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Hi, your lift looks great. I just picked up a 90 tracker. looks like I will be hitting the junkyard, what year was the explorer the springs are from? thanks or all your info.
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Hi, your lift looks great. I just picked up a 90 tracker. looks like I will be hitting the junkyard, what year was the explorer the springs are from? thanks or all your info.
The Explorer springs came out of a 93 and 94. I believe the explorer and 4x4 ranger springs are all the same from 91 to 94 so any in that range will work.
The rear springs are from the rear of a early 90s cherokee but could not tell you the exact year.
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when installing the strut spacers did you have to use Camber Alignment Bolts? and have you installed a Rear Upper Control Arm Drop Bracket? Just wondering if these things were and are needed. thanks for posting btw
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Yes, I did install the camber bolts and would say it is required as other wise the camber will be way off and cause bad handling and tire wear. I also installed the rear control arm spacer. I highly suggest this thought it will work short term without it.
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The Explorer springs came out of a 93 and 94. I believe the explorer and 4x4 ranger springs are all the same from 91 to 94 so any in that range will work.
The rear springs are from the rear of a early 90s cherokee but could not tell you the exact year.
also by 90s Cherokee, your talking about the front springs of the jeep? since the backs leaf?
sorry for the hardball lol i just wanna be exact at it
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The Jeep Grand Cherokee had coil springs in the rear from 93 on. The rear coils off of either a 94 or 95 Grand Cherokee is what I used for this build.
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Just a question..... why didn't you also use the jeep front springs, are they the wrong size or is there something else about them ??
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Just a question..... why didn't you also use the jeep front springs, are they the wrong size or is there something else about them ??
Jeep springs are way to light of spring rate for the front.
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Just a question for Scotsmn..... what about the front springs on a V8 Grand Cherokee the engine & trany weights more then the whole kick does...LOL I would thnk that the spring rate would be fine
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Nice work, I like using springs for lift. They do improve the ride.
Your lift looks good.
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Just a question for Scotsmn..... what about the front springs on a V8 Grand Cherokee the engine & trany weights more then the whole kick does...LOL I would thnk that the spring rate would be fine
A solid axle doesn't put as much stress on a spring so thinking even the V-8 jeep will be about 100 lbs. light.
BRD HNTR, thanks and I agree it has made the ride better.
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Did you have to do anything to the steering or brake lines or anything else ??? Or you just swap the springs
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Just Springs. Brake lines are plenty long enough and steering doesn't really change.
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So it rides better than just putting the two inch spring spacers
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I never had just spacers on this one but have ridden in a sidekick that did and I think the ride is better personally on this one.
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Just got lift completed !! What a differenceit makes. Thanks Sotsmn for the help!! My son can't wait to get it out on the trails again it looks good, works good , and its CHEAP I did mine for 250.00 total thats new parts from low range off road and new shocks too. THANKS again scotsmn and ZUKIWORLD you rock
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Very cool. Post some pics if you can as would love to see you finished product.
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really great idea, with the longer springs i can see you would get a way better rided as you are using more spring 'coils" then just adding spacers, have done the spacers on a couple of my kicks but will be going this way on my next one, thanks for info.
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what did you use to cut the pig tail? I'm wanting to do this mod. Just need to know what I need to get this job done.
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I just used a cutting wheel on the grinder to cut mine.
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thank you, I was going to try tackling it with a sawzall. I'm still about a month away from even making my junkyard run. I want some warmer weather to do the work, I can't handle the cold.
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Would you be able to add the two inch spacers to those springs for a total of 4" lift
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Would you be able to add the two inch spacers to those springs for a total of 4" lift
Not without making or buying some kind of drop bracket for your front diff as to add the extra lift would put your CV joints at an really bad angle.
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Thanks for the help I got the springs on with 31s got to put my body lift on this weekend
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If you want some IFS drop bracket I have them and will sell a set $120
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So assuming that you do get a differential drop bracket, is anything else needed to run spacers with the heep/Exploder springs. What are the advantages/disadvantages to running a body lift instead?
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I don't run either a body lift or spacers so couldn't actually answer this, but if you do it, I would like to know how it turned out.
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Damn Definitely using this for my sidekick great and easy build bro nice job
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Thanks, I have put mine through the ringer and it is still going strong.
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So assuming that you do get a differential drop bracket, is anything else needed to run spacers with the heep/Exploder springs.
I would love to know how this works as well. Also, how much lift on 4-door vs 2-door.
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With the rear I don't think you would have any issues. But explorer springs are a hair bigger than the original springs so not sure how well the spacers would match up to hold the spring in.
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What back spacing do you have on your wheels? and did they have to be special ordered for the center hub to fit?