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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: derekj on April 04, 2009, 05:02:13 PM
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...without going OME struts.
So I had some time the other night and pulled the wheels to see if my idea will work. I had found that struts for the rear of a Chev sedan - Monroe part # 801831. Charts showed that it has 1.5" more travel than a stock strut. I removed the strut and compared the travel of the two struts. When the struts are extended they are the same length with the 2" extension on top of the stock strut. When compressing the struts the stock one stops at the extension and the new one goes down 1.5" more. So if I installed the new struts and didn't change anything else I would only gain more up travel and no more down travel. The only problem is the coil spring won't compress much more past where it does now before it hits the bump stop.
Now comes the issue of trying to make the mount work. As you can see in the pictures the holes don't quite line up and there is some gap in between it.
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This can be corrected by modifying the holes and adding a spacer between the mounting tabs.
So if I was to go this route I would need to add a one inch spacer on top of the new strut and lower my front diff at least one inch to make up for the added drop. This should give me almost 2" of more wheel travel in the front end.
I know I could just go out and buy some OME struts but here in Canada I would still be looking at over $400 for two struts. That is not in the budget as I want to get t-case gears before hitting the Rubicon this summer. So this could be a cheap way to add a bit more travel to the front with a little bit of work but not much in parts.
Derek
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That's pretty cool. Have you tested them on the road yet?
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this is really cool.
some kind of shim on either side(x" metal w/holes) and tighten up good sounds like it would work ok.
seriously, where could it go?
this may be the new strut replacement idea.
will you be trimming the bump stops?
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Keep us posted as to how this works
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I haven't installed the struts yet - I was just testing them to see if they will fit. With my lift coils and spacer in the front I won't get much more up travel out of the suspension so I will leave the bump stops in place for now. I do need to lower my front diff before installing the new struts as they will give me more drop so that is holding up the project for now as I try do decide what I want to there. Zukination sells their drop brackets separately but for the tune of almost $200. That kind of defeats the whole idea of this project - more travel for not alot of $$$.
Derek
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I haven't installed the struts yet . That kind of defeats the whole idea of this project - more travel for not alot of $$$.
Derek
Once you figure out...let me know. I might have you either duplicate the process for me, and I'll pay for parts and labor...or at least I'll know where to go, to shop for parts to do it myself.
As I'm an amateur myself...and broke....I'm completely stumped by the IFS....ugh. Wish I would have just kept my Tacoma.....
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I think Mike Hagen tried this a few years back, the struts were too soft for the front of the Track/Kick. It would be worth sending him a PM and asking him about this.
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Thanks!
Derek
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ooooo....I want a softer ride. Perfect!
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Derek, if you want the OME struts let me know. I have a few friends that work there (ARB) and the shop is only 1/2 hour away.
Depending on timing, I could even bring them up to whistler (have a couple of condos up their).
Let me know.
BTW, we met at powerfest one year. I beleive it was your first year.
Jay
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Exactly!, if you ever want to buy parts just send one of us Oregon guys the money and we can get them for ya. Should be cheaper that way right?
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I haven't installed the struts yet - I was just testing them to see if they will fit. With my lift coils and spacer in the front I won't get much more up travel out of the suspension so I will leave the bump stops in place for now. I do need to lower my front diff before installing the new struts as they will give me more drop so that is holding up the project for now as I try do decide what I want to there. Zukination sells their drop brackets separately but for the tune of almost $200. That kind of defeats the whole idea of this project - more travel for not alot of $$$.
Derek
I have pushed my struts to the last 1/4" of travel with spacers, spring pad mod., taller springs, even taller springs (no spacer), 2" spacer on top of struts. Finally cut down my tallest springs (1/4" travel left on spacer). So I was hoping you had found a cheaper longer strut. It still appears that OME is be$t way to get the two more inches of extended travel. While "That kind of defeats the whole idea of this project - more travel for not alot of $$$." the struts you have found DO NOT EXTEND TRAVEL, without more modifications, which you could do to your present struts. With your lifts you are probably only using the extended half of your struts. And running in the middle of strut range with room for both drop and compression is what would be best.
When you drop your diff, you will find that you have to lower your skid pan for clearance, and there goes half the height of the lift. (Still looks and works better, and can run larger tires.)
All that seems to endless, I NEED SOME TRAIL TIME.
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The struts I have found have 1.5" more travel than the stock strut. My idea was to use maybe a 1" spacer on top of the new strut and get some more down travel and a bit more up travel. This project has been put on hold as I am getting another truck ready for a 2 day race/rally event next month.
Thanks for the offers guys but I have been waiting for the dollar exchange to get a bit better.
Derek
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This project has been put on hold as I am getting another truck ready for a 2 day race/rally event next month.
Derek
Oh, please do tell ???
Is this for the ZW challenge here in washington?
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It is for the local 4x4 club. It is a cross country race on one day and then a hill climb/mud bog/all terrain race. The vehicle is a 86 chev s10 sas'd with a 400 hp 350 in it. Quite different from the kick.
Derek
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Exactly!, if you ever want to buy parts just send one of us Oregon guys the money and we can get them for ya. Should be cheaper that way right?
Better than 4wheel parts truckfest? I hear they give ya about 20% to 25% off the retail
I was looking into rockmolesters OME springs, struts, daystar spacer, mx6 rear shock (actually a 97+ front shock) write up
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=444978
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I think Mike Hagen tried this a few years back, the struts were too soft for the front of the Track/Kick. It would be worth sending him a PM and asking him about this.
You are correct. I did this 5 years ago. The struts are softer which was ok but they failed at a suprising rate. They cant handle 2 hours of my off road driving. I cut them apart to see why and the internal tubes are too thin. They were streched and crushed. I gave it several tries. I think I went through close to a half a dozen struts before I gave up on them. I sure didnt save any money as I ended up buying OMEs anyway. :-\
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Thanks for the heads up Mike. Guess I will just save up for some OME's.
Derek