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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: khan_sultan on March 14, 2009, 09:27:03 PM
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Friends,
The work has started today and here is the progress report.
Only some 25% of the work has been done till now and only the front axle has been touched till now.
Dis assembly in progress
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/111457d1237042677t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-img_1184.jpg)
The front propeller shaft comes out
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/111458d1237042677t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-img_1192.jpg)
Notice the SPUA setup here.
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/111459d1237042677t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-img_1197.jpg)
The front diff housing etc come off.
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/111460d1237042677t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-img_1199.jpg)
The spring perches are chiseled off
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/111461d1237042677t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-img_1201.jpg)
Some grinding work going on -- cutting damper bolts from plates
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/111464d1237042677t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-img_1207.jpg)
SPOA begins here.
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/111465d1237042677t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-img_1209.jpg)
U-Botls being put in place
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/111467d1237042980t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-img_1214.jpg)
This is how it looks till now:
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/111468d1237042980t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-img_1218.jpg)
Lots and lots of work still to be done. Now there is no turning back
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Camha! looks good, too late to turn back now indeed.
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Nice looking work! :)
I would see about getting some pipe with the same interior diameter as your axle tubing and build a brace that wraps around your axle on the rear. This will stop your SPOA mounts from pealing back if you don't have a traction bar. It might not be needed, but it doesn't hurt to do it now. :)
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....I would see about getting some pipe with the same interior diameter as your axle tubing and build a brace that wraps around your axle on the rear. This will stop your SPOA mounts from pealing back if you don't have a traction bar. It might not be needed, but it doesn't hurt to do it now. :)
I would go in for a Traction bar in the next few weeks. (Do share some thread pointers where people have done the traction bar). The next few weeks will be just 'on road'/street driving and just some very very mild off-roading. Only later I will take the rig out for wheeling.
BTW, work is going on. here is how the zuk looks right now:
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/112417d1237214125t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-img_1235.jpg)
A comparison between how it looked before and now
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/112415d1237213944t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-work-started-comparision.jpg)
Still lots and lots of small work left. Steering, Brake lines, etc.
Cheers,
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A question about DS spacers:
With the Zuk on hoists & the axles hanging fully, the DS is still in there comfortably.
On road the splines are showing just <1". That means that 2.5" of splines are still in there. Should I go in for spacers?
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If that is all the more spacing you are seeing I wouldn't bother with spacers. I didn't run them on my SPOA until I swapped the rear spring up front to extend the wheelbase and soften up the ride.
If you are worried about it use a jack to lift your tires up one at a time and check your flex, then use one to lift the body up on the front end and rear end to check droop with no weight on the axles. That should show you if the driveshaft is close to falling out.
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Here are few more pics of the Zuk. Had gone for a mini trail expedition this Sunday with few friends who have stock zuks.
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/115265d1237812798-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-stage-1-complete-dsc00166.jpg)
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/115844d1237918848-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-stage-1-complete-t395.jpg)
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/115845d1237918848t-gypsy-steroids-spoa-project-edit-stage-1-complete-t236.jpg)
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Yours sits a bit higher now. :D
How did it handle? I like the cut down front bumper.
If you have bump shteer you can find an early 80's 200, 300, and 400 series Mercedes for the steering arms. 82-84 supposedly work best. Then you can put in a high steer kit. :D
Acks Faq had a couple of good write ups if you do a search for Mercedes
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It handled very nicely. The steering has no issues right now. getting mercedes arms would be next to impossible here.
BTW, I did blow 2 of my t-case mounts. need to get those beefed up.
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Yea, that will happen. :)
Just get some polyurethane, a long bolt and some nuts and good sized washers/fender washers. Cut the polyurethane to the right width to match the stock spacer along with a couple of bushings for each side of the mount, then drill the blocks out with the correct size for your replacement bolt. The fender washers will stop the bolts from pulling through the poly, that should keep everything in place.
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Yea, that will happen. :)
Just get some polyurethane, a long bolt and some nuts and good sized washers/fender washers. Cut the polyurethane to the right width to match the stock spacer along with a couple of bushings for each side of the mount, then drill the blocks out with the correct size for your replacement bolt. The fender washers will stop the bolts from pulling through the poly, that should keep everything in place.
yes, that's what I have planned for. PU blocks are available very easily & cheap here. Will get it done soon.
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A Quick question:
If I have to go for DS spacers (~1 Inch) on both front & rear, then what end is the best place to put the spacer? and WHY?
Should the spacer be at the axle end or at the t-case end?
Should that be the case for both front & rear or different?
I will be getting spacers ready and wanted this input before putting in the spacers.
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T-case end for best clearance.
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I put mine on the diff end on the front due to the larger bolts that are used due to the Tracker Differentials. I would do so on the rear as well, as I have the drum break on the back of the transfer case and studs instead of bolts.
But if both ends were equal I would follow mrhawk's advice and go with the t-case for clearance. Make sure you need the spacers and they are the right size, if they are too long you will end up damaging your t-case or ripping mounts off when your drive line collapses and the weight smashes into your t-case on compression.
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Got the spacers out in -- both the front & rear DS.
Each spacer is .75" each and I have out them on the axle side.
I feel there is a marked difference in the driveline now. It is more tighter now and previously there was some sloppiness. It feels more torquey now.
Is that ok?
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Few pics from this weekend off-roading -- had gone to test the SPOA. All pictures taken by friends.
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/127531d1240216871-devarabetta-new-tg-halli-off-roaders-drop1.jpg)
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/127750d1240244532t-devarabetta-new-tg-halli-off-roaders-dsc01633.jpg)
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/127744d1240242861t-devarabetta-new-tg-halli-off-roaders-trio.jpg)
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/shifting-gears/127389d1240196494t-auto-image-thread-khan6.jpg)
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/shifting-gears/127133d1240148870t-auto-image-thread-khan1.jpg)
(http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/4x4-off-roading/127739d1240242861t-devarabetta-new-tg-halli-off-roaders-spider1.jpg)
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Wow nice pictures, whom ever was working the camera certainly new what they were doing.
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Nice looking pics. How is the extra ground clearance?
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Nice looking pics. How is the extra ground clearance?
The extra ground clearance is helping a LOT. The articulation has increased and I am sure when I install longer shocks/dampers, the articulation would increase more.
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Keep us updated when you go on another trip. It was a lot of fun looking through the photo's of the last one.
Some of those shots of your rig look more like a commercial then a run shot... :)
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....Some of those shots of your rig look more like a commercial then a run shot... :)
He he he. You are right. One of my close pals is a professional photographer and he took these shots. he had accompanied me for this outing.
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Read this off-roading thread when you have time. My friends from a different city in India organized it 'AT AN AIRPORT' complex. The purpose was to spread the awareness about 4x4 vehicles & off-roading and make it into a family thing.
Right now in India, NOT many familes go for off-roading and it's mostly men who go off-roading
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-off-roading/55474-hyderabad-jeep-thrills-summer-challenge-2009-sunday-29-march.html
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It is a shame that you missed the event. I kept looking for shots of your Gypsy in there. :D
Beautiful pics as always, it's amazing to see the different vehicles and so many old Willys. Not to mention all the lights on the front end of 20 and 37. I like the half doors on the #20 as well.
Watching that Gypsy spin it's wheels in the video reminds me why I like Lockers so much. In the second video is the Gypsy with the full hard top running a Limited Slip or a Lockright style locker?
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It is a shame that you missed the event. I kept looking for shots of your Gypsy in there. :D
Watching that Gypsy spin it's wheels in the video reminds me why I like Lockers so much. In the second video is the Gypsy with the full hard top running a Limited Slip or a Lockright style locker?
I would have LOVED to attend this but this was really FAR off (some 800 miles to-fro).
That Hard Top Gypsy is running Lockrite lockers. he got these installed just before the event -- he had imported them from US.
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We went to a small off-road session this weekend. Here are the details/pictures. The terrain was rocky/hill climbs and then followed by some mud bath in a lake bed.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-excursions/57073-devarabetta-new-tg-halli-off-roaders-revisited-4.html (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-excursions/57073-devarabetta-new-tg-halli-off-roaders-revisited-4.html)
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Nice, that looks like it was a lot of fun!
Were there any "Oh Sh**" moments? ;D
Your rig is looking great, any new goodies on the wish list for it?
Amilla
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Looks like a lot of fun. :)
I'm surprised there aren't more Vitara's in the photo's. Are they not very popular for wheeling?
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I'm surprised there aren't more Vitara's in the photo's. Are they not very popular for wheeling?
No one uses a Vitara for offroading here. Only SJ413 & Jeeps. We went out last weekend for an outing and had great fun. Monsoon has started here and it is going to be full slush here.
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-excursions/60019-chikkathore-otr7thjune-09-a.html#post1338793 (http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-excursions/60019-chikkathore-otr7thjune-09-a.html#post1338793)
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zuke looks great. Looks like it's in great shape.
Did you weld on the front perchs level with stock one? This is a very comon issues that people will overlook. To keep the steering angles it's best to weld them level.
The spacers work better on one end. I can't remember which end but if you bolt it on and then try the other way you will see that one way makes the angles softer. With a LWB zuke you won't have the same bad angles as the SWB so you have an advantage but spacers are needed on both. You might get away with it on the road but when you flex off road it will get close to pulling out and there won't be enough spline left and it can cause some issues.
I tried to get away with no putting one and I hit a jump and the shaft almost seperated. When I hit the ground the shaft wasn't in enough and it bound up and bent the end of the shaft. The shaft was busted. I made it home that day but he to run in two wheel.
The last few SOA that I've done I took the whole spring pack and got some nice arc put into it. It adds some lift and just makes it look better. I've never had a pack drop back to the negative but I don't wheel rocks so the stresses are different.
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Pictures are great as always. I can't believe just how clean of a build you have done on that SJ. :)
Why do they keep referring to your rig as Spidey? Does HT stand for Highway Tire vs the AT, as in All Terrain?
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Pictures are great as always. I can't believe just how clean of a build you have done on that SJ. :)
Why do they keep referring to your rig as Spidey? Does HT stand for Highway Tire vs the AT, as in All Terrain?
Hi Drone, Thanks for the compliment. Really feels nice hearing that you feel that the build is nice.
My friends have named my rig spider because it can crawl like a spider ;D.
You are right: H/T stand for highway tyres and A/T for all terrain and M/T for mud terrain
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Nice to see you on-line again. :) I need to jump over to your forums more often and look for more runs.
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did you do a traction bar?
if so what?
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http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/general-suzuki-forum/traction-bar-for-spoa-edit- (http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/general-suzuki-forum/traction-bar-for-spoa-edit-)!!!!-now-fabricated-installed/
Yes, he did. :D
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Hello Khan_Sultan,
I have a 1986 SJ-413 LWB in the Dominican Republic, as you can migth imagine, there are not many of them around. I'm searching for a parts manual and thought you migth have one or direct me to a site where I can download one.
I need the emergency brake clabe very urgently and some other parts not as urgent. If get a manual I can call a dealer in the US and probably find the part which I can ship here and have it in a few days...
I'll appreciate your help.
Frank
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Read this off-roading thread when you have time. My friends from a different city in India organized it 'AT AN AIRPORT' complex. The purpose was to spread the awareness about 4x4 vehicles & off-roading and make it into a family thing.
Right now in India, NOT many familes go for off-roading and it's mostly men who go off-roading
[url]http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-off-roading/55474-hyderabad-jeep-thrills-summer-challenge-2009-sunday-29-march.html[/url] ([url]http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/4x4-off-roading/55474-hyderabad-jeep-thrills-summer-challenge-2009-sunday-29-march.html[/url])
I like that hood/bonnet light pod on the number 37 Suzuki on 4