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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: SNJSamurai on October 19, 2008, 11:19:41 PM
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so im debating on building a bumper or buying one. i just bought a smitty bilt xrc8 winch ;D cant wait to get it in the mail.
so anyway the mounting required is 10" x 4.5" (4 bolts, 3/8")
i was thinking on a steel rectangle tube 1/8 in thick but not really sure if thats thick enough? i dont want anything fancy just a straight tube bumper with a winch maybe later put some bent tubing on it but i want it to be strong to handle a winch.
so i havent gone to my local metal yard yet but been checking out prices online for metal and its alittle more than i though it would be. if the local isnt cheaper it might be worth it just to buy a used bumper or buy new thinking ZOR or rocky road
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I just got a new winch bumper from ZOR zuks off road in AZ,It is by far the best front bumper I have seen for the sami,and it wasn't all that expsensive.
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You can also try Shrockworks.com. From what I've seen they are very well engineered, attractive, inexpensive bumpers as well.
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I built my front bumper from 2" square stock (1/4 or 3/8th thickness) and have the winch mounted through the front instead of from the bottom. I used 2x4 steel to space it forward from the ends of the frame.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/CrawlersNW/RiU4aQi8RsI/AAAAAAAAACA/gBtKQetYgBA/s288/PICT0119.JPG)
Full Size Picture (http://picasaweb.google.com/CrawlersNW/JohnsonValley07ClawHammerDevilsGate#5054508180562527938)
3 other Sammy's from the club use a 1/4" plate with braces coming down to the frame.
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/CrawlersNW/RoFl7T74rGI/AAAAAAAAAX4/THhlja-OW0c/s288/DSC02288.JPG)
Full Size Picture (http://picasaweb.google.com/CrawlersNW/Reiter06162007#5080453924288769122)
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/CrawlersNW/SGvnsEjjQVI/AAAAAAAABfk/zbAZnd_09a8/s288/DSC00175.JPG)
Full Size Picture (http://picasaweb.google.com/CrawlersNW/Rimrock07#5218519337561964882)
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nice bumpers man. they gave me great ideas thanks
so i was looking at the shrockworks. the bumpers are nice but i think zor products are very similar and cheaper.
so i was trying to look at the pic you sent me and i couldnt figure out how u mounted them? i really dont want to weld the bumper to the frame incase i have to remove the bumper
my pop said i should just use my original bumper and cut the top tube and weld a plate with some support on it not sure how well it will look heres a pic and the red arrow points how its mounted theres a plate that mounts to the frame it looks and to the bumper
i was thinking to asking my grandfather to fab a bumper up for me. im lazy sometimes
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/bumpercloseup.jpg)
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On my bumper everything is welded to the frame. On the two Samurais they have a mounting plate welded to the frame. Then the winch place bolts onto the mounting pads. You could just use some heavy angle iron on your frame with bolt holes that go through it, then have your flat piece of 1/4" bolt to the angle iron.
With your current bumper you might have to move it forward to give you enough room to mount your winch. It should be easy enough, I had the same bumper on my old YJ. I actually mounted the winch up above the two tubes and then put the fair lead on top of the second tube.
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oh i got ya. so mount the winch behind the bumper and have it go through the top and double tubes. thats a good idea my friend thank you
so the plate idea wont work due to the tube that goes from frame rail to frame rail
but i was thinking about building a thicker plate weld it directly to the bumper and just bolt it to the frame at the stock location.
heres some better pictures for ya.
Thanks guys your really making this alot easier and giving me great ideas
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/virginia3057.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/virginia3061.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/virginia3060.jpg)
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I built my bumper out of 1/8" plate, and boxed the ends (which really firmed it up). I had already welded the winch mount to the frame, and built the bumper around the winch mount. The bumper is bolted on.
(http://lh6.ggpht.com/CrawlersNW/SMvQTNeek4I/AAAAAAAACJM/RlH8MzqkshY/s512/CIMG2938.JPG)
It is listed in the Build Diaries http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=22395.0 (http://www.zukiworld.com/forum/index.php?topic=22395.0)
I traded for the bumper bending, so didn't have much for cost factor. The ZOR bumper (Intoductory price) is a good deal. I believe it is 3/16", and not boxed on the ends.
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so i went to the metal yard today and i was disappointed in the prices of a square tube. they wanted a 3" x 4" x 6' 1/8in thick for 130 dollars so
i was thinking about using drones idea and using my bumper extend it out so i can fit my winch between the bumper and the body and build a plate to weld to the bumper and build new brackets that are strong and weld it to the frame
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If you check on the our club picture sight you should be able to get some good pictures of the way the Sammy's in the club have their winches mounted. Enough to give you some good ideas anyway. :)
http://picasaweb.google.com/CrawlersNW
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thanks drone.
checking out the pictures now.
im tracking my winch and said it will be here tomorrow ;D 4wheelparts.com was very quick with shipping took only 4 days ( if it does show up tomorrow )
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Man I think those guys selling you the metal are off on their calc's buy x10, should only be about 13.00 Buck's.
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Man I think those guys selling you the metal are off on their calc's buy x10, should only be about 13.00 Buck's.
I know I'm going to go there again. I'm thinking the lady gave me a stainless steel price but we'll see.
A good note i got my winch. it felt like an early Xmas. sorry no picks of the winch itself it was wrapped in plastic and i want to keep it in the box till this week. i always have that problem when u take everything out but it never goes in right after wards :-\
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/Winch.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/WinchRemote.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/WinchFairlead.jpg)
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Shiny. :D
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i know shiny i couldnt believe how heavy the fairlead was. i went to pick it up and almost dropped it due to only using 2 fingers.
im going to try to get to the metal yard tomorrow but got to measure some stuff out. i wish the winch was lighter so it be easy to measure how high it should sit and etc. Also to it says its going to rain tomorrow :o
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There's no way regular steel should be that much. My whole bumper so far has cost me less than $80, mostly 3/16" plate. I figure it will cost me about $80 more for material, and a flat of beer to finish.
Look around at demolition yards, and steel recyclers in your area.
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well i figured out what was going on. the girl was new and she had no idea what she was doing. i called the place up, told them the price and the specs. the guy started laughing and was like maybe if you were buying 10 of them. so he told me to come in next week and ask for him and hell get me rolling :)
well i took the old bumper off and after lifting it 30 times and trying to get my buddy to measure. i decided to throw the bumper in my metal scrap pile. maybe someone will buy it later.
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i wish the winch was lighter so it be easy to measure how high it should sit and etc.
take the cable off it, it,s not the big of a pain make the winch a lot lighter
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This started with a HF universal mount. It's 1/4" thick, then a 2 foot square piece of 3/16" to build the rest of the bumper. Cost me about $30, just finished it the other day roughly 10 hours work.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/NdIndy/Samurai/102408_02201.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/NdIndy/Samurai/102408_02202.jpg)
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/NdIndy/Samurai/102408_02211.jpg)
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dude ur the best! ive been using google sketchup to build 3d blueprints and i just had your bumper build in the program. thanks man
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/Samurai/destroyercloseup.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/Samurai/destroyer.jpg)
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Cool, now send me $300 for the idea :laugh:
Here's 1 more. I had a piece of heavy square tube added in front of the main body tube to mount my tow bar. It's a might bit stronger than the stock and everything more or less mounts to it. When I added the bumper I did a 1/4" piece of angle iron to catch the front bolts. I'm pretty sure it's stronger by itself than the rest of the rig put together.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/NdIndy/Samurai/sammiwinch1.jpg)
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Would you happen to have any more pictures of you putting it on?
i asked a cop friend of mine over today and he said i should have no law issues if i do a bumper like yours so :D damn jersey has some stupid laws that makes lifted trucks hard to build
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I have the trail tough tube winch bumper. Its really nice and comes prepainted black. I also have the XRC8 and it fit fine (think I needed longer mounting bolts for the winch). Its built very well. Here is a shortcut to their pic on their website:
http://www.trailtough.com/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/Universal_Winch__48cea7e1d86d1.jpg
You can see mine in my youtube video here: (wasn't the main focus but you can see it on the vehicle)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4BznJ_k2w4
I installed the control box under the hood. For $299 plus shipping ready to bolt on it was a bargain for me. Plus it has spots for the oem turn signals to be installed so its still street legal.
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yea i actually started to pick up materials already to build my bumper. but the rain and Halloween and the phillies wining the world series my mind has been else where.
spyder i got my winch for 266 shipped to my house and 4wheelparts.com has a drycell battery 750cca for 120 shipped that im thinking about buying
new favorite site by the way
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Yep. I picked my xrc8 up from 4wheelparts as well but it was $299 which is still cheap. They have awesome deals on tires too. They'll mount and balance all four tires for around $50 if you buy matching rims and shipping to my door is only $90. Comes on a full size freight truck on a pallet and the driver will just cut the plastic wrap and drop them down to me one at a time. ;D I just bought my second set of tires from them for my ranger as they had buy one get one free on procomp tires and their rims. Procomps were a $230 tire and the steel rims were about $80. No basically I got $310 bucks off! When I bought my 31" TSL's on 15 steels they were shipped to my door for $800 total. I prefer not having to go find a tire dealer and spend an hour of them telling me which ones they actually have in stock.
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Plus it has spots for the oem turn signals to be installed so its still street legal.
On our SJ's we tend to zip tie the turn signal lenses behind the grill. It's not exactly road legal, but you can see them fine between the headlight. And it looks pretty cool. :P
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hey guys so heres what im building basic layout may change alittle as i build it
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/Samurai/sammibumper2.jpg)
(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k299/EuroMaddness/Samurai/sammibumper2angle2.jpg)
what do you guys think?
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Will you be able to open the tailgate?
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its the front bumper lol but its cool
the big plate in the front is to hold the fairlead for the winch.
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so i haven't had any luck lately :'(
1. there hasnt been any nice weather for me to start building my bumper
2. i got a ticket driving around with no bumper, fender flares, front plate and a reverse light out
3. i was welding some stuff for a body and my welder broke so so im going to have a friend that has a welder do it but i got to wait till hes done fixing his plane. he said in a few days hell be done :: crossing my fingers ::