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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: johnhenry on October 08, 2008, 05:36:29 PM
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Hello,
I have a few questions about my Stock 1995 Sidekick JX 4x4 with 4 Doors. My questions are just concerns I have about Tipping over.
How much would it take for me to Tip over while driving regular street? (off ramps that loop around or twisty roads)
Has any Tipped over before?
I just got Brand new General Tires about 4000 miles ago (Grabber AT2, 225/70/15) These tires are great and they give me a lot of grip and I cant wait for Winter in Tahoe. These are a little bigger that the Stock tires I had previous and I was concerned about Tipping over. I dont know why NOW I think I will tip over more easy, just because of the New tires.
Can someone ease my thought?
Thank You
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I've been in some pretty hairy situations with my lifted 'kick without tipping over, I wouldn't lose sleep over it, but do keep in mind it ain't no RX7
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I've been in some pretty hairy situations with my lifted 'kick without tipping over, I wouldn't lose sleep over it, but do keep in mind it ain't no RX7
Like he said...
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The easiest way to flip over is turning quickly one direction then cutting back to the other. Especially at highway speeds. This will cause most cars to flip though, not just the Tracker. Most roll overs happen after the vehicle has left the meridian, the driver panics and turns hard to the left, back towards the road and thus turning in softer dirt against the grade.
If your really worried about it you can install an aftermarket sway bar in the rear and some 1" wheel spacers. I did that on my two door as I didn't like the body roll introduced with the spacers and taller tires and it solidified right up. Now the rear end wants to kick out when I go into a corner a bit to fast. :)
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Stop worrying about the capabilities of the Tracker, and become a better driver. Drone is correct, The best advice anyone can give you is DON'T PANIC in any situation. Panic= loss of control= crash.
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...How much would it take for me to Tip over while driving regular street? (off ramps that loop around or twisty roads)...
Hey, do you work for Consumer Reports? >:D
But seriously, like the other guys have said, just remember what you're driving. Give yourself a little space to react. A good alignment made a big difference in handling with mine.
To me, rolling a vehicle is like ramping a bike. Every newbie who tries ramping a dirtbike thinks he got "big air" when he's only 6" off the ground. Similarly, many people think they are really close to rolling a vehicle when, in fact, it would take a LOT more force to do so and depending on the pavement, etc., your tires may slide before you ever get near rolling.
It took a professional driver 15 tries to tip a Samurai on a modified course!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Xq4kH8gNM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Xq4kH8gNM&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui9oAeXniqg&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui9oAeXniqg&feature=related)
So be careful, not worried. :)
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It took a professional driver 15 tries to tip a Samurai on a modified course!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Xq4kH8gNM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui9oAeXniqg&feature=related
So be careful, not worried.
Very True...
And the professional driver was TRYING to flip the Sami. You will be fine in your four door (like you would be in any other vehicle.
(If Mike Hagen has not rolled one with his rally racing around Apple Valley Farms, you will have to be in one hell of a situation to roll one in daily driving)
Zig
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On regular street driving? If you actually make an attempt at it sometime, good luck. Won't be easy.
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i rolled a car and you probably don't want to try it. stupidly thought i was a race car driver.
i don't drive that way anymore.
i have removed my front stabilizer and feel ok on the road.
haven't dumped it on a trail(yet).
pretty conservative.
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Thanks Guys, That helped a lot.
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ive had my 2 dr (stock with 235/75R15's) on 3 wheels but thats hard to do, (off camber, way to much throttle and 2nd gear) only time ive felt it try to tip, ive had it sideways at 60km/h aroun a 90* corner. havent had any more body roll then the girlfriends neon... never felt like it was unsafe
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I think this is a common misconseption of suzuki. People are constantly asking me " Aren't you afraid it's going to tip over?"
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A DAM MINI-VAN TIPS OVER EASIER. NOBODY THINKS TWICE ABOUT PUTTING THERE KIDS IN ONE OF THOSE
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Hey pepatt,
I just got your comment on Me working for Consumer Reports. Funny... I watched the YouTube Videos and it would make sense if I did, but my question was just a concern. Those Videos helped me and everybodys elses comments made me feel at ease. Ive had my car for almost 4 years now and it been nothing but great except for no AC. But when I changed too my New tires, it seemed like I had too much grip. (If that makes sense) I know having a good grip on the pavement is great, but I think it was hard for me to get use to the better turning and stopping.
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...But when I changed too my New tires, it seemed like I had too much grip. (If that makes sense) I know having a good grip on the pavement is great, but I think it was hard for me to get use to the better turning and stopping.
Yeah, when I changed to the 235/75r15's It seemed to drift a bit and get squirrelly under hard braking. A good alignment cured all.
I think a lot of people worry (falsely) about tipping. I think you'd be way more likely to spin out of control due to short wheel base (of course I have a two-door!) :(
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I understand that you have more grip with your new tires. But it's an SUV, not a RX-7 like what was said before, so just drive it like a Ford Explorer or Bronco II those tip easy, a zook does not. I guess for those in Samurais we have a sticker on the driver door to remind us how to drive. Just don't do any drifting or J-turns you know backwards forwards quickly type move. You'll be fine.
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I never worry about tipping my tracker (or the sammy I had) they are very solid feeling but I worry a little about quickly spinning out when crossing the deep snow ruts in a heavy winter storm romp.
Deep wet/heavy snow ruts and the 2 door trackers short wheelbase can get squirrelly fast but its just an absolute blast in the snow I just try to be very careful at all times and keep it under total control when anyone else is around.(I do have to protect my CDL license ;D)
I call my tracker SLG.................Street Legal Gokart :laugh:
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...and here is the link to the entire Consumer's Report lawsuit video produced by the legal team representing Suzuki:
http://www.acksfaq.com/videos/suzukivsconsumerreports.wmv (http://www.acksfaq.com/videos/suzukivsconsumerreports.wmv)
Too bad I don't have a bird. I'd line it's cage with Consumer's Report Magazine...
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works good for the litter box
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I call my tracker SLG.................Street Legal Gokart :laugh:
mines my street legal side by side (same size and does the same trails offroad but i dont need the sticker price or the tow rig to go home with) fun to go to the local ORV areas and romp down the trails with the side by sides then back through the field and down the road to the next trail while they load back on the trailer to go 5 minutes down the road to follow.
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The side-by-sides are cool but I only paid $13'400 for my 02 tracker ZR2 (SLG) brand new and have total on and off road freedom.
My tracker will never have the suspension the side-by-sides can have but then you'll probably never see a side-by-side cruising down the expressway at 80-90 MPH. :laugh:
Yes I feel very safe going 80-90MPH in my tracker. ;)
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i laugh cause i paid 2000 cnd for my 90 kick. and the suspension systems of side by sides arnt much better (indy rear suspension vs solid axle) but ill take the solid axle over a modified quad diff anyday, much stronger...
i love cruisin at 80mph in the kick... makes the guy in the sports car ego go down when i pass him. (also makes the guy in the lifted dodge/ford egos shrink too)
calgary is full of lifted trucks with soccer moms and lawyers driving them, never knowing a stock kick can take them both on the highway and offroad.
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i love cruisin at 80mph in the kick... makes the guy in the sports car ego go down when i pass him. (also makes the guy in the lifted dodge/ford egos shrink too)
Now yer talkin.
I've taken mine up to 100, not even close to full throttle, but the top got so noisy that I had to back off. I'm pretty sure the designers didn't have that sort of velocity in mind... So, anybody know if the stock top can handle more? I'd freakin HATE to blow the roof at 105...
Maybe I should start a new thread for that question..
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ive got a hardtop and my front section vibrates at 90 mph or so (had it higher before) but i know 90 is still safe for the tops and mines broken so it doesnt sit right snug...truck has hit 160km/h (100mph) with the top still staying on.
man they rev high though... 5 grand cruisin on the highway... (speed limit is 110km/h but i mostly sit at 120-140. gets a good run when i go into town...