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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: zukcrewcab on July 27, 2008, 06:53:06 AM
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I just installed a calmini 6 inch combo lift, with 32 swampers like they recomended and they rub on the inside fender well really bad. they car is a 4 door and it is sagging in the front at least 1 1/2. any body have any experience with this problem with this lift or a solution other than cutting??
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Have you asked Calmini? Its unusual for it to be down at the front, are you running a winch bumper or other heavy stuff on the front?
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We need more information:
Tire width
Rim width
Rim backspacing
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Pics alswqays help
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bent shock towers :o
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It has 15x8 2.5 backspacing, 32X10.50x15 swamper tsl radials, bent shock towers are out of the question. what do you think?
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oh yea, It does not have a bumper on it yet, so when that happens I'm gonna have a real problem.
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my 2 door was doing that, pop the hood and shake the car side to side watching the inner towers through the hole of the outer towers, and check if they are centered, mine caused tonz of fuss wheels rubbing front sagging pulled to the left, tire towed in at top, just check if the lift is installed correctly it should sit perfect like this
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I'm running the six inch lift combo with 32x9.50 tsl's on 15x7 with 2.5" backspace rims. I had to cut the back of the fenders, the tires would rub when I turned. As far as the front springs go they are SHIT!!! I am on my second set now in 7 months the first set sagged out so badly that all but one coil on the spring would bind together. It wore all the powder coating off between the coils as they were coil bound any time i used it off road. As far as ride height with both set of springs it sits low in the front.
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I have a '92 4 dr with 15x8 rims with 3.75 backspacing and 15X10.5 XTerrains. They only rubbed at full turn but a little hammer to the inner wheel well and that was gone. As for the front springs mine do not droop but the back has coil bind over the little drainage dip between streets. At about 15 mph or if I am going over whoops in the desert. What can you do
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Not enough backspacing is your problem. 3.75 or better should take care of it. 8)
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they call for minimum backspacing on the wheels , thats why I went with 2 1/2 on mine. I am going to take pics and send them to calmini, because I have not even driven the car yet and I am having this problem. what do you think about coil spacers on the calmini coils, I can't live with the car sitting stink bug!!!
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The problem is manufacturers of tires are allowed too much slack. Most 31" tires are really 30, and sometimes even 29" tires >:( So, it's hard to say what lifts will clear what tires... it just depends on the brand, and if they're "really" the size they claim to be. With all the government regulation out there, i'm a little shocked this has been permitted for so long.
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2.5" backspacing is a pretty hung for a rim, it should stick out quite a bit more than stock.
The lower the number the more it sticks out
2.5 stick out more than 3.75
Amilla
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they call for minimum backspacing on the wheels , thats why I went with 2 1/2 on mine. I am going to take pics and send them to calmini, because I have not even driven the car yet and I am having this problem. what do you think about coil spacers on the calmini coils, I can't live with the car sitting stink bug!!!
I wonder if by "minimum" backspacing they meant to stick as close to the stock backspacing as possible. If thats the case, they should clarify that a little better for people so that this issue doesn't happen.
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What did Calmini say about the front sag? I have a tube front bumper and it stayed level with the back. Ask about their longer front struts. Maybe if they hear it enough they will develop them
Thanks
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I don't think calmini is going to help, what do you think about coil spacers with the lift???
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I don't think calmini is going to help, what do you think about coil spacers with the lift???
I am in the same boat as you, after 3 months of talking with them and hearing all kind of bullshit excuses as to why my front end was sitting almost 2" lower than the rear they finally sent me two new front springs. Well now it only sits 1 1/2" lower in the front, so I'm thinking of using a coil spacer as well. Has anyone done this? If so what else do I have to do besides install the spacer?
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I think the spacers are the only option, with mine to the base of the frame is 16" in the back, and in the front is 14", calmini states that the lift maintains the stock vehicle rake, which I would understand accept for the bitchen rigs they advertise in the website and catologue are sitting level, whats the real deal I wonder??
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The stock rig does sit a little down at the front from the factory.
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my only problem is the coils are too stiff and my shock towers failed, im told the grand vitara or old man emu coils are a direct replacement and much softer :-\
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I know a lot of Calmini spring users say it is stiff but somehow I got the opposite. It does ride a bit stiff but when I need it going over a drop or small whoop in the desert the spring actually binds so the ride is spine jarring if you are a rear passenger. I would like a stiffer rear and the front is good for working on the drops and whoops
What are you gonna do
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What are you gonna do
Buy OME ;D
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they call for minimum backspacing on the wheels , thats why I went with 2 1/2 on mine.
Just out of curiosity... where exactly did you hear/read that they call for "minimum backspacing" on the wheels?
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they suggest 2. to 2.5 back spaced wheels in the lift instructions. I purchased l.5 coil spacers and cut the back of my fenders at the firewalll, f -um!!!
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they suggest 2. to 2.5 back spaced wheels in the lift instructions. I purchased l.5 coil spacers and cut the back of my fenders at the firewalll, f -um!!!
So you added the 1.5" spacers to the front how does it sit know? have any pics you can post? This is what I may have to do with mine
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I have been loking into getting a sidekick and I would say 95% of the people that have the calmini kit have 1.25-1.5 inch spacers in the front. What about going to QA-1 coil over springs from summit racing you have a few sizes and rates to choose from, they use them on samurai coil kits .
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I have been loking into getting a sidekick and I would say 95% of the people that have the calmini kit have 1.25-1.5 inch spacers in the front. What about going to QA-1 coil over springs from summit racing you have a few sizes and rates to choose from, they use them on samurai coil kits .
The front suspension needs a very high spring rate within a small area. The spring rate is around 500ppi, some aftermarkets are anywhere between 440ppi - 550ppi, and around 12" of unloaded length.
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I ran into the same issue with the 3" suspension lift kit, it sagged really bad (93 4door). I decided to run 1.5" spacers and it is leveled out when I have wheeling gear in the rear. Calmini doesn't even make different spring rates for 2 door vs. 4 door, and I know their customer service and listening to feedback from actual buyers of their product is severely lacking. I bought the kit knowing I would have to fix their problems. That does suck but the options are limited.
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thats good to here, I ordered my l.5 spacers but I have not received them yet, I was hoping it was going to work. I have a 32 inch super swamper on the rear door to provide some rear ballast. The rear suspension is pretty sweet its just a damn shame the front suspension is lacking.
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Let us know what your out come with the Calmini info is. Mine also sags in the front, with a custom tube bumper and a m8000 winch. I've removed the back seat, and have a simple home made I beam bumper in the back for now with a full size(31") spare mounted on the rear. Mine also sits like a late 60's muscle car I'd like it to sit level, but Ive read on other threads Calmini 3" with spacers on the strut mounts is too much. Wrong or not?
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I ran into the same issue with the 3" suspension lift kit, it sagged really bad (93 4door). I decided to run 1.5" spacers and it is leveled out when I have wheeling gear in the rear. Calmini doesn't even make different spring rates for 2 door vs. 4 door, and I know their customer service and listening to feedback from actual buyers of their product is severely lacking. I bought the kit knowing I would have to fix their problems. That does suck but the options are limited.
What do you have to do to the struts when you put the spacer in? or can it be left the same?
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I have the same problem with the front sagging with the Calmini kit. I have used 1.1/8" spacers which helped for awhile but then sagged again. I have orderded a set of new coilover type springs that are 16"x550ppi so I will tell how they worked soon. I have also rated numerous springs and you would be surprised at what you think the rate is vs the actual rate/ppi.
Kevin
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I have the same problem with the front sagging with the Calmini kit. I have used 1.1/8" spacers which helped for awhile but then sagged again. I have orderded a set of new coilover type springs that are 16"x550ppi so I will tell how they worked soon. I have also rated numerous springs and you would be surprised at what you think the rate is vs the actual rate/ppi.
Kevin
Where did you get those springs from? I NEED those!!!
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A company out of Las Vegas. I have ordered them but I Havent got them yet.
Kevin
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What do you have to do to the struts when you put the spacer in? or can it be left the same?
I had already flipped the strut and used Calmini's strut spacer. I know the strut won't travel as much as it could/should, but the rig sat so low in the front that I needed the height and was willing to sacrifice the travel. HTH.
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FOA is the company out of Las Vegas. I have ordered them but I Havent got them yet.
Kevin
Thanks for the info, let me know how this works. If it works good I'm steeling your idea
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What do you have to do to the struts when you put the spacer in? or can it be left the same?
I had already flipped the strut and used Calmini's strut spacer. I know the strut won't travel as much as it could/should, but the rig sat so low in the front that I needed the height and was willing to sacrifice the travel. HTH.
Thanks for the info, I'm going to do this till I can find a spring to replace the shitty calmini ones!
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got the 1 1/2 spacers on and the vehicle finally sits level ( within a half inch) will take some pics