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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Build Diaries, How-To, DIY => Topic started by: Quaddawg on March 22, 2007, 09:29:58 AM
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I can't see paying $300 for a blow molded snorkel, SO...
(http://www.forumsigs.com/users/quaddawg605/Snorkel/Snorkel_finished.jpg)
(http://www.forumsigs.com/users/quaddawg605/Snorkel/Snorkel_painted.jpg)
I decided to make a removable one from PVC. I wondered if 2" would allow enough air flow, and so far so good. I don't drive the "Turtle" on the road, so I don't know how it does for freeway driving, but on the trails it does just fine, seems to flow plenty of air. The inside diameter is just a touch smaller than the inlet on the throttle body anyway.
I spent about $30 on parts not including the filter, as I already had that. I think I paid $20 for the filter, so, less than $50 altogether.
I routed the piping so that it hugs the fender, and is actually inside the tire overhang and mirror, so I won't drag it off on rocks and limbs. The whole unit removes in seconds, so if I am climbing rocks or tight trails, I can take it off if I need to, and the cone filter will install right on the throttle body intake tube.
This is for an 8 valve 1.6, adaptations would have to be made for anything else.
I used:
Material:
2 - 2" to 2" rubber couplers
4 - 2" 45 degree elbows
1 - 2" 90 degree elbow
1 - length 2" sch 40 pvc pipe
1 - 2" to 3" bushing
1 - ricer cone filter (fits the bushing perfectly!)
1 - 2" pvc pipe hanger
PVC glue, 1 sheet metal screw, misc
Tools:
Drill
Saw
Hand tools
Sandpaper
2 1/2" hole saw (for metal)
If you are careful, you don't really need two rubber couplers, but it makes it easier to line up, and very easy to remove the snorkel to work on the engine.
You can route the snorkel several ways, I chose the location you see in the pictures for ease of installation.
It took me a couple of hours of tinkering, and a couple of trips to my local hardware store to get everything.
One cool part is a standard coffee can will cover the filter so rain doesn't enter when it's stored.
I am not worried about rain or splashing, but if you are, you can easily modify a coffee can as a splash/rain shield and leave it in place.
See photos!
I will test it out this weekend in Livingston KY, and will report back!
All photos here:
http://www.forumsigs.com/users/quaddawg605/Snorkel/
(http://www.forumsigs.com/users/quaddawg605/Snorkel/three_piece.jpg)
(http://www.forumsigs.com/users/quaddawg605/Snorkel/TB_out.jpg)
(http://www.forumsigs.com/users/quaddawg605/Snorkel/Snorkel_white_hood_up.jpg)
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looks pretty good to me!
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looks pretty good to me!
ditto
looks pretty DAMN good!
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GREAT JOB!
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What's a hole saw, and how's it work? I want to do a snorkel too, but my biggest fear is making the hole through the fender (or, in my sami maybe the area between hood and windshield?) ugly.
-Jeremiah
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curious
whyd you spray it black and not OD
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What's a hole saw, and how's it work? I want to do a snorkel too, but my biggest fear is making the hole through the fender (or, in my sami maybe the area between hood and windshield?) ugly.
-Jeremiah
A hole saw is a device you chuck up in a drill. Most people have seen them used for pulling in door handles and dead bolts. The saw is round in shape, and chucks up in a hand drill.
This hole saw is made for metal, you have an arbor that chucks up in your drill, it has a drill bit on it, the hole saw blades come in different sizes and clamps onto the arbor, around the drill bit.
The drill bit acts like a pilot bit, stick out a little further than the saw blade. Mark your hole, carefully drill in with the bit, and then VERY carefully start the hole saw into your fender (or whatever)
The arbors are 15-20 bux and the saws are about the same.
Here is a picture:
(http://www.forumsigs.com/users/quaddawg605/Misc/holesaw.jpg)
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curious
whyd you spray it black and not OD
I like the black highlights on the OD paint job... plus, I had black, and was out of OD... LOL
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thanks for the explination (and pic)... and as a matter of fact, I have seen them used on doors... heh... I probably should have figured that out on my own :-\
Did you use that Krylon Fusion on the PVC? I like the black... for some reason it just works well for snorkles... trying to paint match them always looked strange to me.
-Jeremiah
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curious
whyd you spray it black and not OD
I like the black highlights on the OD paint job... plus, I had black, and was out of OD... LOL
that would have been my reason right there
some people have kicks that give them inspiration
for a lot its Hot Rods (the reason is obvious)
but I like yours
its the budget build that i would do
(if i had a 4wd kick and the garage/tools to do it with)
plus
I would definitely have to add some sort of rain shield with Hawaii weather
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does the heat under the hood melt the rubber cantex couplings?
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i have a 2" snorkle on my 89 tracker... sounds good around 3500-6G good intake sound... works fine on the road...
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does the heat under the hood melt the rubber cantex couplings?
Didn't today, but I didn't drive it around too much. I had rubber couplings of a different sort on it for over a year....
Time will tell, I will report back Sunday and let you know, I can't see it happening though, doesn't get that hot under my hood.
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damn, thats nice. ;D i might have to make one.
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I just recently sold my tracker, but I did something just like that. I was convinced to do something after having all 4 cyclinders full of water. It's amazing how "geo" had it all hooked up behind the fender. The intake had a box in a low area with a tiny hold to drain water. I thought that was cool.
I did my conversion for FREE. I had some piping and and filter in my garage. And i also used a rubber long radiator hose that was on my old snorkel for the 4 wheeler. No one should ever pay 300 dollars for a snorkel kit.
BTW you just have to love the noise it makes at high RPMS. Sounds like an exhaust system right next to the driver window.
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No one should ever pay 300 dollars for a snorkel kit.
I bought a Safari (ARB) snorkel for mine. I didn't want a DIY effort on a 6 month old truck and the Suzuki main dealer told me that it wouldn't affect the engine warranty. The Safari snorkel is a good piece of kit, well worth the money. Its very strong and will easily withstand being swiped against a tree. Its also well designed to keep the rain out of the intake. I do understand that theres a lot of people for whom its way too much money. I dithered over paying out for one, in fact I waited a bit too long - the £200 for the snorkel was a lot less than the £1300 bill for the hydro-locked engine :'(. The DIY way is a good budget solution, just remember to seal up the hole in the bottom of the airbox.
The stock intake is a pretty clever piece of design, I hadn't realised there was another intake behind the headlight (thats not all that clever!) and that catch tank and the airbox design must have saved me a good few times before I overdid it.
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That looks great!! Has anyone made one of these for the 16v 1.8liter in the Sport? I use the same kind of air filter under the hood. I removed the factory airbox and piped it right into the intake. I was wondering if there is anything you would have to do differently with the overhead cam?
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heat may be a long term issue. so have you thought about a heat resistant section of flexi hose from the guard to the motor/intake?
if you are as bad as me when wheeling, you will know that the motor moves from side to side a lot. plus, not to mention when you break the engine mounts like i do all the time. i just don't think that the pvc pipe and the little rubber joiners have enough flex/give in them to cope with the engine's movement when driven hard.
even if you have to hood up, and you rev the motor, you can see that it already moves a bit with even no load on it.
if you are worried about breaking engine mounts, or if you think the motor moves too much, you can either make new engine mounts with sammy leaf bushes, or just get some HD chain and chain the block to the chassis so it doesnt lift.
this latter may not be as good, but you find you get a more direct feel when accelerating, and wheeling, and especially when you put a lot of load on the motor.
so maybe look into that. but overall, looking very good.
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I am going to find some 2" flex hose (radiator) for the connections.
It held up well through some severe wheeling yesterday, but yes, you are correct, it needs a bit more flex, as the engine movement did loosen the couplers a bit.
As far as heat, the connectors seem to be ok, they do get a little soft, but there isn't enough give, just as you stated.
I will update this thread with the new connector hose when I find what I want.
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No one should ever pay 300 dollars for a snorkel kit.
the £200 for the snorkel was a lot less than the £1300 bill for the hydro-locked engine :'(.
Before I snorkeled mine, my engine was hyrdro locked. But why did you pay someone to fix that problem? Just take off the spark plugs and pore a bunch of gasoline into each cylinder, then drag it around while in gear. Once you get as much out as you can, start her up and wait for the excess water to burn away. My motor still runs tip top.
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No one should ever pay 300 dollars for a snorkel kit.
the £200 for the snorkel was a lot less than the £1300 bill for the hydro-locked engine :'(.
Before I snorkeled mine, my engine was hyrdro locked. But why did you pay someone to fix that problem? Just take off the spark plugs and pore a bunch of gasoline into each cylinder, then drag it around while in gear. Once you get as much out as you can, start her up and wait for the excess water to burn away. My motor still runs tip top.
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I'm going to try and use some flex sewer pipe for an RV. it's 2", which will slide right into the stock airbox, and then just seal it up w/ silicon. It's what I did for my last one, and I removed the sail panel and snaked it through there, instead of punching a hole in the fender.
Yours looks good tho! Any concerns about saturating the filter??
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I'm going to try and use some flex sewer pipe for an RV. it's 2", which will slide right into the stock airbox, and then just seal it up w/ silicon. It's what I did for my last one, and I removed the sail panel and snaked it through there, instead of punching a hole in the fender.
Yours looks good tho! Any concerns about saturating the filter??
Yes, I am thinking about wetting the filter, I have a can that I am going to modify to use as a shield.
Also, this snorkle comes off in seconds, and I can reattach the filter to the intake, as I have been running it all along, takes less than a minute.. so if it is really raining, I can do that.
I will make a few changes, but all in all, I am happy with it.
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Before I snorkeled mine, my engine was hyrdro locked. But why did you pay someone to fix that problem? Just take off the spark plugs and pore a bunch of gasoline into each cylinder, then drag it around while in gear. Once you get as much out as you can, start her up and wait for the excess water to burn away.
We did that and got it restarted but the noise it made wasn't good. The car was only 6 months old and I didn't have anywhere to work on it so it was recovered back to the dealer. Two conrods were badly bent, the bottom of one cylinder liner was chipped and one piston was damaged. The recovery fee was £140 and labour charges at £80 an hour took care of the rest of the bill ??? On the plus side it went to the dealer covered in mud inside and out and came back shinier than new, it took an extra half day for the valleting service to complete it ::)
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Yes, I am thinking about wetting the filter, I have a can that I am going to modify to use as a shield.
I've had problems with some filters saturating but genuine K&N filters when oiled have never given me any trouble.
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update Q?
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Why buy when you can build?I like your design idea of making it easily removable,and it looks good.
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similar to what I did, but I ran mine inside the fender to keep it from getting snagged.
(http://www.avalonforest.com/geo/misc/snorkel.jpg)
(I also retained the stock airbox and sealed it up.)
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hey sno, got more pics?
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not without taking the fender back off (may be doing that someday soon tho ...)
it did require a notch into a seam of the main body (not any opening into the cabin, but probably does reduce some "crash worthiness").
I'll probably do a pipe run in my 16V 4dr and will take more pics then.
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BTW, anyone doing this ... run the largest pipe you can!
I think that 2" is a bit restrictive ...
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the engine looks normal then
and the pipe is run under the air box?
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BTW, anyone doing this ... run the largest pipe you can!
I think that 2" is a bit restrictive ...
If the intake is 2", then how is 2" piping TO the intake too restrictive?
I've not done this yet 'cause I still want to figure out a way to modify intake so that it's coming over passenger side (and not over headers). Anyone have thoughts on how this could be done?
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the restriction comes into effect in that you are running a much LONGER pipe out of the airbox and adding bends.
sry ... no time to explain fluid dynamics, but fit a 2" pipe into your mouth and you tell me if it's harder to breathe with a 12" length versus a 36" length with multiple bends (mix the 90's and 45's as you wish).
don;t get me wrong, that stock crap straddled into the fender well is pretty bad ... but, ya want that snorkle to be *better* than that.
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great job man, i'm actually going to use this for my ride. well that work for a 16 valve 1.6l engine?
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hey i'm new to the zuki world. i just got a 96 tracker 16v 2 door 4x4. i want a snorkel but mine has the mass air sensor and some other sensor any ideas on how to make that work....
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just cut into the air box
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Update on this one..
Nope, 2" isn't restrictive, still has plenty of power...
I did make a shield out of a coffee can, and painted it OD too... lol... looks good, and I use it when I run in the wet.
The couplers softened up with use, and now it flexes just fine..
No troubles, no worries... works great.
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any update pics?
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any update pics?
I could get some later today...
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the turtle looks like my trak
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(http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/9233/trackernowvy4.jpg)
This is how it looks at the moment
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still looks good
drivings A-ok with that coffee can?
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still looks good
drivings A-ok with that coffee can?
Yeah, it has air slits in it, and two "flaps" on the back that let air in.
I have another solid can that I screw on when being stored, to keep all water out
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you got a close up of the can? i'm gonna do the same.... but my trak has the mas on the box over the fender. and my metal tube that goes to the intake is bent down.
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you got a close up of the can? i'm gonna do the same.... but my trak has the mas on the box over the fender. and my metal tube that goes to the intake is bent down.
not at the moment, but I could get some tomorrow, if I remember..
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kk sounds good.
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Abs pipe is already black. ???
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Abs pipe is already black. ???
Yeah, ABS pipe would be the material of choice, but my neighborhood hardware store didn't have what I needed in ABS... hence the PVC
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i can see it now ;D
you can put some charcoal in it and git a fire going
or
when it rains you put it on your trackers intake like so
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SUPERDUPER HI-TECH SNORKEL HAT. :P
I only use this for wet/sloppy wheeling... :o
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/250/can4sj4.jpg)
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/623/can5ci3.jpg)
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6640/can6to4.jpg)
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/6532/can7hv7.jpg)
(http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2126/can8hr2.jpg)
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thanks for postin the pics. i live in arkansas and it rains here alot. i'm gonna make the snorkel for mine.
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whats your wing nut bolt held in place with.... if that makes sense.
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whats your wing nut bolt held in place with.... if that makes sense.
It's just a big bolt and with a nut bolted through the top of the filter, and the wing nut of course holds the can on.. real simple..
LOFL... nothing hi-tech about this one!!!!
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you should decorate a can to look like a christmas tree
think of all the possibilities
maybe a vaccuum cleaner attachment
(http://images.shopping.msn.com/img/6/2988/496/29301238.jpg)
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you should decorate a can to look like a christmas tree
think of all the possibilities
maybe a vaccuum cleaner attachment
([url]http://images.shopping.msn.com/img/6/2988/496/29301238.jpg[/url])
Ok "Chuckles" :)
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update Q?
hows it holding up?
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There are covers that you can get for the air filter. They use them on saidrails to help keep the filter from getting to dirty. Not sure how it would hold up to heavy rain, but it would hlep keep the mud out.
Here is link http://www.mooreparts.com/store/category/2/95/Air-Cleaner-Prefilters/
they run about $10 to $20
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how do these do on the road?
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so i went ahead and put on of theses on my kick ill try to get picks up soon
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This may be kind of a dumb question but for people who are worried about water getting in from hitting water fast why dont anyone mount there intake inside the truck?
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will this work on a 1.6L 16v? cuz ill make one
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This may be kind of a dumb question but for people who are worried about water getting in from hitting water fast why dont anyone mount there intake inside the truck?
People have - you get the engine intake noise.
And, yes - this will work for 1.6L 16V
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Updates? Anything melt? Explode? Catch on fire?