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ZUKIWORLD Discussion Forum => Suzuki 4x4 Forum => Topic started by: ERock on February 15, 2006, 07:20:06 PM
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Hey Guys... First of all, AWESOME site... I just got my Tracker in Jan. for a daily driver. I never realized what you could do to these things and have got the bug, just not the funds. I have been logged into this place for over 8 hours searching through info and now I have a couple of questions.
#1. After driving this thing for a few weeks I noticed my passenger side rotor is shot because the pads were wore down to the metal. When I looked at the driver side pads, everything looks good... Lot of meat on the pad and the rotor is fine. Does this suggest that the passenger side is seeing more braking pressure than the driver side?
#2. My Tracker is up on jack stands right now. I went in to replace the front rotors and brake pads and ran into a problem with the rusted rotors stuck to the hub... This thing has virtually no body/frame rust, but these rotors are a mother to get off.. I noticed the new rotors have threaded holes to pry the rotor off, but the ones that are on the Track now don't have the holes available. Any suggestions on how to get these rotors free, any sprays that will help loosen up the rusty stuff?
Thanks!
ERock
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#2. The fact that there are no threaded holes in the rotor indicates that these are not OEM rotors. From my experiences with the TracKick, rotors are replaced when people drive like idiots with their foot on the brake pedal. That said, taking them off is a matter of a few "love taps" from the backside edge of the old rotors with a hammer. Of course, you can help things along with some PB Blaster...
#1. Three possibilities:ÂÂ
The pads were not replaced as a front set.ÂÂ
The passenger side pads were improperly installed. I did that on my '93. I put the outer pad on backwards and driving to the garage for other work nearly destroyed the rotor. oops! If the installer decided to slap on a fresh set of pad without turning the damaged rotor, braking would be bad on that side and the replacement pads would wear faster.
And there is/was air in the passenger side brake line from a bad bleeding job. Air in the line will cause uneven braking and uneven pad wear. from side to side.
Hope this helps!
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may need a new caliper also... could be seizing up and dragging a bit.. if you change one change them both.
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Thanks! This will get me headed in the right direction.
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try to push the caliper piston back in with a large set of adjustible pliers. it should move in nice and smooth. also check that the caliper sliders are free and move easily. if you have to buy a new caliper spend a little extra $$$ and get the 4 door calipers, rotors,and pads. you will notice a big difference in the braking. ;)
derek
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I second the four door motion!
They will last longer as well. I seem to remember needing the caliper mount in addition to the other parts. I junk yarded all the parts, then bought new rotors and pads (after all). Sometimes you need to take a caliper apart and clean out the piston bores, as they can get residue build up. This will cause a problem when the pistons are pushed back into the residue and make them stick. Another upside to doing this is you will have clean fluid in the system. Be sure to bleed teh old stuff out of the rear as well.
You will relly like the brakes then!
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I have already bought the 2dr rotors and pads, but can easily take them back... What's main difference.. I'm assuming they're beefed up a little more for the extra weight of the 4dr.. I checked the caliper and the piston on the passenger side is stuck. I just realized... if this was sticking in the braking position then this could effect the gas mileage right? I've been getting 21-22 mpg. I also have a fuel filter to replace.
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the rotors are vented and thicker and the caliper piston is a bit bigger in diameter and the pads are a bit larger also. makes a big differance - worth the few extra bucks. the calipers will bolt right too the original brackets also - you will only need to trim the backing plate a bit.
derek
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4 door calipers will not bolt to the 2 door
mount brackets, you need the 4 door mounts
also, but the 4 door mounts bolt to the 2 door
knuckle no problem
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I need to do this.. who is right from the two posts above.. anyone else?
Can I use my mounting brackets and trim the backing plate? or do I need 4 door brackets??
I need to know, as I want to do this before the weekend..
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To do the swap you need to replace the caliper and the slide. The caliper slide is held on by the 2 17mm bolts that attatch to the Knuckle. If you buy a set of loaded calipers it will come with the brackets and pads. They will want a core. I just throw the 2dr ones in the boxs and return them as cores. Nobody can tell the difference.
Mike
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hmmm............ thanks wild. he is right about the brackets - i just have a bad memory. my calipers were loaded know that i think about it. i stand corrected :-[
derek
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Cool, thanks.. A pair of loaded 4 door Calipers is about $82 bucks at the zone.. and off to the junkyard to find the slides...
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Cool, thanks.. A pair of loaded 4 door Calipers is about $82 bucks at the zone.. and off to the junkyard to find the slides...
A pair of loaded calipers will come with slides. No need to go to the junkyard.
Mike
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Slides are part of the caliper, but the bracket is what they
bolt to, on my 89 I needed the brackets from the 4 door.
Later models might not need them I dunno
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Hello All,
That's a cool mod...We need to start a "bible" (pardon the expression) for cool mods like that!!!
Mine is a 90 model anybody know if I got to change brackets??
Later Tom K.
P.S. I know this site is like a "bible"!!!
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probably
the 89-90 are in a separate build of parts and EFI
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The 4door has bigger drums too.
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Are the 4dr rotors larger diameter? Has anyone done the swap to 4dr brakes on a 96? Are there any interferences or changes that I will need to make other than possibly the mounting bracket for the calipers, or is this a straight swap?
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Anybody,
Has the swap been done on a 90 model,I need to get frt brake pads and rotors anyway.This would be a great time to do this mod...Do I need to change any thing other than getting the loaded calipers and rotors?
Thanks Tom K.
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Called GM today. I found out the 2dr and 4dr 96 Tracker use the same knuckle assembly. This includes the caliper mounting bracket. You might be able to find out if there are any differences for the 90.
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I put the 4 door calipers and mounts onto
my 89 2 door, rotors are the same diam. but
the rotors are vented and the calipers have
a larger piston, I also grabbed the brackets
that bolt to the knuckle, and they were needed
for my 89. It was a bolt on mod tho.
Wild
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I put the 4 door calipers and mounts onto
my 89 2 door, rotors are the same diam. but
the rotors are vented and the calipers have
a larger piston, I also grabbed the brackets
that bolt to the knuckle, and they were needed
for my 89. It was a bolt on mod tho.
Wild
Would the loader calipers have this needed bracket?
Later Tom K
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No, I don't think so.
As far as I know, a "loaded" caliper
has the pads in it, or with it, but not
the brackets, those don't normaly get
taken off of the car or in this case trucklet
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Don't forget to use 2 wheel drives as parts vehicles (at least for front end and rear end parts). I just took parts from a 4 door on one side of the yard and put them on a two door until I had them mounted. Now to do a search for shocks and struts to replace my tired Calmini 2" lift parts...
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Just finished up with the 4dr front brake upgrade on my 96 track. I ended up buying the loaded calipers and rotors. It was an even swap, didn't even have to trim the back plate on the 96. Easy install, but a couple of things I ran into if anyone is thinking about doing this. I needed a breaker bar to loosen up the 17mm bolts for the caliper bracket. I had a hell of a time getting them out. I needed to replace the 17mm bolts with new ones, the size is M12x1.25 30mm long, don't forget the lock washers. I needed a "BFH" to free up the rotors... After I found the hardware and got everything off it went smooth.
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can you feel the difference? i can ;D
derek
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This is an interesting topic. I got a 2 wheel drive 4 door for parts. I just got done taking the calipers and rotors off. I will go back and take the mounts just in case I need them. I'm glad I read this before I got rid of my parts rig.
Brian
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This is an interesting topic. I got a 2 wheel drive 4 door for parts. I just got done taking the calipers and rotors off. I will go back and take the mounts just in case I need them. I'm glad I read this before I got rid of my parts rig.
Brian
If you don't need them PM me.
Thanks Tom K.
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Yah... The brakes rock... now onto the next mod...
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If/when you replace the rear brakes (and swap out the axle -- it was cheap enough) Don't forget to lube any mounting bolts. I had to grind off the nut plates on the trailing arms to frame as the bolt heads spun off. Just an ounce (cc) of prevention here.
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What kind of axle did you use in the swap? I'm a real newbie at this thing.. or... I suppose I can look up a thread... I've discovered how awesome these things are just from hours of reading the forum archives...
thx
ERock
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I bought a stock 98 axle at a junque yard. Cheap ($150), has a boat load less miles, good brakes. Make sure the r & p gearing is the same. Get all the mounting parts with it, so you have spares. Especially the top link (a-arm/ball joint device). I've had a couple with problems (one froze up at the pivots that mount to the frame).
The axle is heavier than you think. Bring a bud, or bring a dolly -- especially if she's cute!
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Is the 98' different than the 96'