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Offline Mythose

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Re: Winches
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2005, 05:28:13 AM »
that gives you the ability to move 12000 lb with a snatch block, that is the ability to move a  6 TON object with the use of a snatch block :o  so just get the 5/16 winch rope rated at
13700LB and be good to go overkill and then a bit

and if you have enough rope you could always add anouther pully into in and beable to hoist nearly 10 tons on that 6000LB winch

my 2 bits any way.  8)
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Offline Digger

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Re: Winches
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2005, 05:45:34 AM »
The 2 door sidekick would be around the same curb weight of the 2 door Tracker. This changes with the weight of bigger tires/wheels, recovery gear and the people inside.

The 3000 pound winch on my silver Tracker has pulled me out of a couple different nasty situations without problem and probably would have pulled me up that hill if I had insulated the cable over that rock, but I was trying to help the winch by slipping the clutch and attempting to drive while winching and that gave some occasional shock loads to the cable which is probably what snapped it(in addition to being stretched over a rock) ::)

That extra $100+ is just simply not in the budget for the Goblin, the 6000 pound Milemarker I found has free shipping, comes with a roller f/l and 85 feet of 5/16" cable and brings my total for the vehicle to just under $1500 with the Swampers(and the cost of the vehicle to begin with). That's my price cap, both self-imposed and signifigant other imposed(LOL!!!).  The 3000 pound milemarker has impressed me greatly so far, so doubling it's capacity with the 6000 should be more than enough for what I'm doing with it! Plus, like stated above, smart use of a snatch block should make it more than adequate...
Had a cool sig pic till I changed the text... sigh...
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Re: Winches
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2005, 06:36:59 AM »
BobZuki raises a very good point, my winch bumper mountings are custom made, very heavy duty and welded to the frame with some hefty reinforcement. A winch bumper secured just at the stock mounting points could well turn into an extremely lethal flying object with a 9000lb winch doubled back.
Another point to remember is when you double back the cable you have more wire off the spool which reduces the leverage the winch applies. You can improve things by using a strong strop between the snatch block and the anchor point.
The wiring of the winch will also affect how much power you will actually get you need good quality heavy duty cables to reduce losses.
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Offline Natebert

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Re: Winches
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2005, 07:07:10 AM »
So a 2 door Sidekick softtop empty is ~1400kg = ~3080lbs.  
Larger tires & rims, suspension lift, rock rails, skid plates, rear swing arm bumper, front winch bumper, extra battery and winch add 300-500 lbs.
Load up 2 people and mild trail gear, add another 400-600 lbs.  And the little track/kick just became 4000lbs easy.

2 extra, 5 gallon gas cans, externally mounted high-lift, shovel, chain saw, and roof rack another 200-300 lbs.

Plop down a 4 door hard top, loaded with dual cases, even larger tires, massive suspension lift and even more people and gear and we've got ~5000lbs.

A little 6000lb winch just became an expensive anchor to be used on the car trailer to aid in loading up the broken track/kick

I've wheeled with people with under powered winches and have seen what a snapped cable does.  Not pretty.

Be careful!
« Last Edit: May 17, 2005, 11:16:33 AM by natebert »

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Offline HUMZUKI

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Re: Winches
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2005, 09:03:50 AM »
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http://www.e-winches.com/detail.aspx?ID=663


This is the way to go Bro!!!! ;)

$430


Check out the weight! It's about 1/2 the weight of just about EVERY other winch but it doesn't mater b/c they have  FREE SHIPPING on winches. I pulled a F350 out of about 3' of sticky clay not too long ago,,,,No problem!! ;D

And a Heep,,,,,Then I put it back in Two wheel and drove through what they were stuck in. ::)







Power to weigh?????? Its a big deal with zuks!!

PRICE!! Try to beat it. Its got plenty of power.

And didn't this first thread end with what type of winch? Not cable strength. But Im glad nobody lost a limb when that cable snapped. Im going synthetic rope,,,,,Its stronger, lighter, and wont cut your head off if it snaps.

More loot to though :P
« Last Edit: May 17, 2005, 09:04:55 AM by HUMZUKI »

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Offline Mythose

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Re: Winches
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2005, 09:50:19 AM »
i have seen cabels snap, and i had a friend get hit in the face by a snatch block "he tied it to the tree with rope MORON" and he had a 9000lb winch on a yota i think, but any way he lived but wont get into a vehicle with a winch any more. So yeah anything with that much payload and memory should be handeld with EXTREEM caution.

that is why i said 6000lb winch with 13700 lb synthetic roap, cause then the stuff aint gona break, and if it does it will just fall to the ground.



All things must start and end, the key is to not let them start and end in the same place.

Other rigs, 84 Sub 305 High output dana 44 front dana 60 rear turbo 350 tranny, 205 gear drive transfer, 10" lift 38.5 swampers

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Offline Digger

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Re: Winches
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2005, 03:49:14 PM »
My cable just fell to the ground when it snapped, it didn't fly anywhere. I found out later that it has a synthetic core, don't know if that made any difference in the elasticity or not...

I will eventually get synthetic line for both winches, but wanted to get my money's worth out of the cable first...
Had a cool sig pic till I changed the text... sigh...
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98 Suzuki X-90: Calmini 2" Sus, 1-1/4" whl spcrs, 2" Exhaust, Cobra Safari Bar, Neon, Sold.
96 Suzuki X-90: Mostly stock daily driver(for now)

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Offline 92Sidekick4x4

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Re: Winches
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2005, 04:31:53 PM »
Well arent people supposed to put a blanket over the winch line to slow it down if it does break? or is that a lie?

my lug nuts require more torque then my engine makes ;)

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Offline Digger

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Re: Winches
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2005, 04:34:51 PM »
The blanket trick works very well. I've seen it in action...
Had a cool sig pic till I changed the text... sigh...
90 Tracker: "Silver", 2" BL, 1-1/2" Coil Spacers, Strut mount flip, Calmini Header, Winch, 31" Swamper radials, Sold.
98 Suzuki X-90: Calmini 2" Sus, 1-1/4" whl spcrs, 2" Exhaust, Cobra Safari Bar, Neon, Sold.
96 Suzuki X-90: Mostly stock daily driver(for now)

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Offline 92Sidekick4x4

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Re: Winches
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2005, 04:48:06 PM »
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The blanket trick works very well. I've seen it in action...

i thuahgt it did, ive never seen anyoen use it tho, i woudl if i had a winch

my lug nuts require more torque then my engine makes ;)

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Offline cj

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Re: Winches
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2005, 05:32:50 PM »
I wouldn't go smaller than 6000. I have a Ramsey 8000 on mine. As mentioned it's when it is well and truly stuck in mud or you're trying to move it over some good sized obstacles that the force required to move it increases greatly. With any sort of rigging a little bit of overkill is not a bad thing, lives can be at risk. I also have a snatch block and think they should be a part of any winch kit not only for increasing the load you can move but you can also use them to help you pull in the right direction as your anchor point may not always be where you want it.

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Offline cj

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Re: Winches
« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2005, 05:39:14 PM »
Couple of other things. I have a switch rigged inside my rig on the dash so I have a backup to the plug-in winch control. I also have a winch blanket for added safety and an extension as good anchor points can be a long way from where you are stuck. I'm running an ARB winch bar that I have beefed up and tied back to the chassis better, as others have mentioned it doesn't matter what the load is the winch can pull if it doesn't stay attached to your rig.

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Offline 92Sidekick4x4

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Re: Winches
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2005, 05:42:46 PM »
how do snatch blocks work?

my lug nuts require more torque then my engine makes ;)

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Offline cj

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Re: Winches
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2005, 05:49:34 PM »
They're basically a big pulley that you can open up to pass the wire through instead of having to thread it through.

http://www.4by4connection.com/arbsnatchblock.html

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Offline Digger

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Re: Winches
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2005, 07:10:36 PM »
Well my winch bumper is bolted to the stock location, as well as having 1/2" grade 8 bolts into the frame, heavy duty muffler clamps to the tubular crossmember under the bumper and it's also tied into the skidplate that bolts to the back of the bumper, trusses the front a-arm mounts and extends back and is bolted to the engine crossmember... it's plenty solid!
Had a cool sig pic till I changed the text... sigh...
90 Tracker: "Silver", 2" BL, 1-1/2" Coil Spacers, Strut mount flip, Calmini Header, Winch, 31" Swamper radials, Sold.
98 Suzuki X-90: Calmini 2" Sus, 1-1/4" whl spcrs, 2" Exhaust, Cobra Safari Bar, Neon, Sold.
96 Suzuki X-90: Mostly stock daily driver(for now)